badgerx16

Have you read any of the links, and are therefore basing your belief on an objective assessment, or just assuming that the Government are being straight about everything ?

http://www.badger.org.uk/_Attachments/Resources/16_S4.pdf "A major new report1 published on 2 October 2006 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the United States’ premier scientific journal, has revealed that cattle rapidly infect badgers with bovine TB. The hugely significant findings mean that by controlling bovine TB in cattle through better TB testing, the prevalence of TB will also be reduced in badgers. That, in turn, further reduces the small risk that badgers pose to cattle. The research, from the Krebs Randomised Badger Culling Trial (RBCT), also confirms that killing badgers increases bovine TB in badger populations, probably by disrupting badgers’ otherwise stable social order and by increasing the amount of contact that badgers have with cattle. This finding means that badger culling has no place in any science-based strategy to control bovine TB. Instead, leaving badgers in peace will reduce the prevalence of TB in badgers and, again, reduce the risk that they pose to cattle. Significantly, the research has been peer-reviewed by independent, international scientists, so it cannot be undermined by the minority of out-of-touch vets who profess to have a better scientific understanding of the complex dynamics of this disease."

From Chris Packham's site, as linked above : "'I think the most interesting observation was made to me by a senior politician who said, “fine John we accept your science, but we have to offer the farmers a carrot. And the only carrot we can possibly give them is culling badgers.’ Professor John Bourne "

An adult badger would probably kill a wolf, a brown bear might cause it a problem though.

But the Government's line is that this is the most effective, if not the only, way to control TB in cattle. This is a blatant untruth. A cull of the badger population will not significantly limit outbreaks, as the documents referenced earlier in this thread show. Scotland enjoys it's status primarily because of the controls on the shipment of herds and veterinary screening.

You miss the point - if there were no badgers whatsoever, cows would still get TB - they catch it from other cows. Inoculation is the ONLY way to stop the disease. { Badgerx16 ( BSc Microbiolgy ). }

Where do you think badgers catch BOVINE TB from ?

Father-in-law used to smoke up to 60 a day. Having already had his voice box removed due to the 'big C', he was told yesterday he now has lung cancer, which is spreading and not treatable. You can read into this what you like.

Be afraid, be very afraid

Sorry, but that is incorrect, Scotand is defined as 'TB free' by the EU, but this does not mean what it says - in fact it reflects a 'low and stable' level of TB infection in Scottish cattle : http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/atoz/tb/control/scotland.htm http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/latest-news/sixty-cattle-slaughtered-after-bovine-tb-outbreak-in-scotland/46262.article http://www.bovinetb.info/scotland.php http://scottishbadgers.org.uk/newsite/downloads/tbpaper.pdf

Does it outweigh the added medical expense ?

Never have. Edit : re the execution thing, there are other groups I'd start with - first of all the people who peddle the cancer sticks, making profit out of other peoples addictions.

"Single cone 6 AED double cone 11 AED 99 8 AED Magnum 9 AED Mini milk 7 AED ......."

But he has to be ready, we're one injury to KD away from him being #1.

Aahh, but by 2052 Southampton might, remember that picture is 50 years after that.

Signed. Badger power !!

Good. Lord Krebs was on R4 this evening and said that eliminating badgers in any area of farmland would reduce the level of bovine TB by no more than 15%, almost all cases are transmitted from cattle to cattle. From the final report presented to the Labour Government : ( http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/atoz/tb/isg/report/final_report.pdf ) "careful evaluation of our own and others’ data indicates that badger culling can make no meaningful contribution to cattle TB control in Britain." "Scientific findings indicate that the rising incidence of disease can be reversed, and geographical spread contained, by the rigid application of cattle-based control measures alone." "we consider it likely that licensing farmers (or their appointees) to cull badgers would not only fail to achieve a beneficial effect, but would entail a substantial risk of increasing the incidence of cattle TB and spreading the disease"

Like many of the slightly more 'mature' posters on here, I can remember having a 7-0 and an 8-0 defeats in the same season. If we can see the problems so can Nigel and his crew. Keep the faith.

Is this how she did it ?

Aaah, but : "Anyhow, the Football League ideally require a bank guarantee or company guarantee to convince them the football creditors will receive all of their money. As a brand new company, the Trust are certainly in no position to be able to fulfil such criteria. The Trust are arguing the validity of such a requirement when it is not even their debt they are expected to pay."

Last year, in the same 4 matches, WBA gained 0 points and a GD of -9, they just didn't have them all together. ( Mind you, for balance, Bolton and Blackburn also lost all 4 ). WBA also only managed 2 points from home matches against Villa and Fulham at home and lost away at Everton and at home to Spurs and Swansea. So that's 2 points from the same opening 9 games ( other than we also have to play WBA ). Long way to go yet. Fwiw Arsenal lost at home to Wigan and Man United, and away at Man City.

I doubt if even Cortese believes that, and I know that's apparently the source of the statement. Anybody that looked at this season as a route to the ECL is beyond deluded, it's approaching Skate levels of foolishness.

A few seasons ago they lost 6-1 to the Arse in the opening fixture, at Goodison.

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