KingdomCome

Watching the goal again. VW really is a tank.

Very tough to go to Swansea and win. Brilliant result.

And relax.

4 mins added

1 min normal time

You've gone and done it now

Home fans are outstanding, must say

FUKKKINNNNNN WANNNYYAMMAAAA!!!!!

Shame, Cork was playing well. Guess RK wanted to be more attacking. Gone t!ts up now though by the looks of it

Davis on for JWP?

nudge? he f*cking shoved him out the way!

lots of control, lots of possession, poor final ball. Very frustrating game to watch. Can see Swans getting a goal on the counter late on. Great attempt by Tadic though

Gordos on for Yoshi. Good move, could see Yoshi getting a second yellow very easily

You and your logic and reason

Please feel free to highlight a couple of the examples you picked. I only see youth clubs and the NHS. So if a total solution is impossible we should just endorse the status quo. Why bother making drugs illegal? I'm evidently not as fluent in clueless as you so as you are reducing this to a slagging match I agree it's time to draw it to a close.

So from this endless list of publically funded things that you can't use you've chosen to pick one thing that receives virtually no public funding and one thing that you can use. Thanks for telling me what I really mean. I thought I just meant that people shouldn't be encouraged to bring children into the world if they can't afford to look after that child properly. How wrong was I?! While we're talking about what's "natural" and hunting for food. Nature dictates that the weak die. Survival of the fittest. A poor standard to look to in a civil society. I'm a little perplexed why you hold it in such high regard. Why not just not give birth?

Does being in the media mean she can't achieve these three commendable objectives? What can you never do that others do being funded by tax payers money? It's against nature to refuse to fund someone elses lifestyle choice? You come across as very angry.

I really like the idea of the Markus Liebherr Academy.

They have already had the child, they don't need to have that child again. To be clear, I'm saying that the "changing circumstances" situation would of course need and warrant support from the state to get through the difficult situation. It's a bit irrelevant though as I'm talking about people who choose to have children in full knowledge that they can't afford to.

Does she? News to me, you're obviously more well informed. I would ask for a few of the numerous examples you could no doubt provide, but frankly I don't care. To suggest we shouldn't allow her to procreate because of it is getting a little too near eugenics for my liking. ...and this affects her ability to be a good parent? Do any of these involve those who are distraught at being unable to have children paying for others who choose to but can't afford it? Why not increase minimum wage & introduce rent control? No-one is "playing God". Merely suggesting that you shouldn't make a choice that you can't afford to take.

Where did you see that? Both are prerequisites for a good parent. I haven't prioritised. You haven't explained why it shouldn't be. Where did you see that? I've said nothing other than she can afford to do it. A mighty stretch to say I approve. Incidentally, I haven't been keeping up with my Katie Price insider info recently, care to outline her parenting failures? Aside from the obvious joke, that's an existential pondering if ever there was one. How do we value a life that is yet to exist? This thread is about one method of stopping kids being born into poverty without throwing money at it. Benefits trap? You suggest that people from poorer homes are all going to uni and paying shed loads of tax on the one hand but then say there is no way out for those same people? Something we agree on.

could you point out specifically what part of my post is "a load of crap"? I simply asked you a question which you chose to ignore. Fair enough, your prerogative. Or was that the bit that was crap? If so, then allow me to explain. You pointed out a specific incident in an attempt to suggest that denying the right for this person to have children would be a net loss. I was asking the question to suggest that the specific incidence has little bearing on the overall situation. so the situation you described is immaterial. I then said Katie Price can afford to have kids and call them what she wants. I then said we shouldn't place requirements such as health or intelligence on the decision to have children. I'm determining nothing btw. I can however empathise with people who desperately want children but can't being forced to pay for others to have children. Talk about salt in the wound. I can also empathise with children being born into poverty and would like to minimise this if possible. Incidentally, used to be a time when a cane to the hand was seen as setting a boy straight. Times change. You also seem to be suggesting that people with the ability to pay for their own lives are somehow of a lower value...

Is that representative? Do all single mums have kids who go to Cambridge? As much as I despise the woman, Katie Price can afford to have kids and name them whatever the f*ck she wants. Health and intelligence shouldn't come into it.

Certainly deserved. A balance between showing appreciation and fawning needs to be drawn though. A statue wouldn't be beyond the pale.

Tough call for the lineup. Away from home to Swansea I think we need to be as strong as possible defensively Forster Clyne, Fonte, Alderweirald, Bertrand Wanyama Cork, Schneiderlin Tadic, Long Pelle Hopefully Mane will be on the bench for impact towards the end. Or possibly start with Davis for a more attacking set up and then bring on Wanyama to settle things if we can get ahead...or Mane if we need a goal.