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And likewise Milliband and Labour were equally supportive of us taking action against Libya, not that you would believe that, given the hypocritical attack on Cameron by him, blaming him for the migrant crisis in the Mediterranean.

You're doing a great job of stirring the pot by pedalling this line that the Tories are a load of toffs, therefore they need a good kicking by those whose sole motive is envy and jealousy. Have a read of this, which sets the record straight:- http://www.cityam.com/article/forget-old-etonian-chumocracy-tories-are-their-least-aristocratic-ever There isn't much in the way of retaliation from the government by citing the number of privately educated MPs in the other parties, but there is much hypocrisy spouted by them about the Tories. It used to be that Parliament consisted mainly of MPs with backgrounds in business or manufacturing, but nowadays there are far too many career politicians and those with legal backgrounds who have not lived in the real world and have little real knowledge of how business, manufacturing, commerce and finance work. When you complain about how remote MPs are from the real world, that is more to do with it rather than their educational background.

Which is the verifiable fact? That Conservatives can be perfectly pleasant people?

But have you had her neutered though, and if so where does that fit into appropriate analogies?

Ex Lion Tamer is more prone to attaching labels and talking in broad generalisations than most.

It's during a General Election and in a mainly Labour area, so it represents an opportunity for an anti Tory sound bite on the one hand and sweeps under the carpet the failure of the social services to prevent this sort of thing happening on the other hand. Win/win for them for now, but ultimately after the election there will have to be an investigation into quite how this was allowed to happen, so that the system can be improved so that it doesn't happen again.

Of course, Shirley Williams was also a pupil at St Pauls School and then went on to decimate the Grammar Schools and to introduce Comprehensives. Yet another case of Labour hypocrisy, I'm alright Jill, blow you.

Yes, the same school. They both went to St Paul's. If Eton had a girl's school, and she went there, it would still be valid for people to say that she went to the same school as Cameron, wouldn't it? Or are you going to try and argue that the St Paul's girls' school was less public school, less prestigious, less academically capable or less exclusive than the boys' part of it? Currently it has the highest exam percentage successes in the Country.

Going back many, many years, weren't the people who took over the Wellington Arms the people previously at the Duke of Wellington? Or did I dream that?

I agree with this. Added to which, there are other players in the division who have made it an art form, so although I don't condone going down too easily to gain an advantage, I'm thinking that unless there is some way to lessen other players doing it, then why should we miss out?

Could the Swedish rape and and theft be in their genes? After all, the Vikings were renowned for their rape and pillage. As for the Finns, it seems that they're a pretty violent lot when they get p*ssed. http://sciencenordic.com/alcohol-behind-finlands-high-homicide-rate

Labour is now saying that it will abolish stamp duty up to £300,000 purchase price I think it was, and this will cost a quarter of a billion. This they will find from raising revenue from tax avoiders. Good luck with that one, Ed. I'm against people avoiding paying their tax, but as these are people who take measures to avoid paying it, it is likely that they will either find other loopholes to exploit, or just go elsewhere.

Good to hear Savage and Shearer both agreeing that Saints should have had another defender in the Team of the Year, as they had the best defence in the division. Fonte nominated by both of them over Cahill, but Clyne couldn't have been far behind either. But there you are, typically the glory teams get the edge in these sorts of decisions.

Of course it is. You can see it. I can see it. But Verbal when he doesn't like anything that is critical of his darling Labour Party and its leader goes overboard accusing people of being confused, in a frenzy, being partisan (just like him, of course) and living on Kipper Island, whatever that is. Apparently although there is a duty for us to try and stabilise the country after our intervention, that rests solely on Cameron's shoulders and Milliband wiped his hands of it until the opportunity arose for some feeble point-scoring. I notice that he hasn't bothered yet to reply to the frenzied, confused and partisan point you made. Verbal: As far as I'm aware, there is no mention of any intention in Labour's manifesto to do anything at all to address this problem. It is obviously so important to him and Labour that it is not worth a mention even in passing. Therein lies the hypocrisy of making such an issue of it just now

Even the guy from the Spurs' forum who was quite impartial admitted that the goal had been scored with Lamella's elbow. Whether it was intentional or not, the goal should have been disallowed, as it is obvious that a player's arm is capable of some movement to guide the ball in at a particular angle. Bloody typical that we lose the chance of going above Spurs and Liverpool because of poor refereeing.

Perhaps you're right on reflection, as Mane's value and reputation is rocketing. Regarding Mitchell, he might well have downloaded information from Saint's database of player info, which would be theft but hard to prove. In order to be totally effective though, he would have to set up the whole organisation to comprise an equivalent of our black room, with similar staffing levels to be as thorough. Then they will be closer to a situation that we already possess, so we will also continue to have unearthed similar players to those that they will look at. It isn't just price and skill prowess that then decides the bid for them, but also a character assessment that assesses their potential ability to get on with their colleagues and their ability to play in the style of the team. From those perspectives, Spurs might even then choose different candidates than us anyway, but if they don't, then there will be mini-bidding war between us. The interesting aspect to the ethos of the black room is that by its definition, it had already identified a better manager than Pochettino and has probably already made assessments of candidates to replace Koeman should he do a Pochettino on us in the summer, which thankfully is unlikely according to what he has said himself. But it is also probably the case that the black room has identified an improvement even on Mitchell himself in Ross Wilson, who was highly enough thought of at Huddersfield to be appointed to their own board.

Yes, a very balanced and fairly impartial write-up for a Spurs fan. The only bit of nonsense is this last paragraph:- I'm afraid that although Mitchell and the black room identify these players who have gone under the radar elsewhere, once they show that they have star quality playing for us in the Premier League, the likelihood that firstly they would consider Spurs as much of a step up and secondly that they could be bought cheaply without much competition elsewhere is fantasy delusion.

And are you also going to admit that Milliband and Clegg also deserve some of the blame too, being as how balanced and even-handed you would like to consider yourself? After all, they all three supported taking action against the tyrannical regime there. The foul whiff of hypocrisy fills the air over this attempt to besmirch Cameron, when Milliband also instrumental in the events. He says that the Tories should have followed up the toppling of Gaddafi with measures to stabilise the region, but Milliband decided that apart from a few muted mutterings in February, the time to raise that matter was in the middle of an election campaign, when he cynically planned for it to overshadow the Tories announcement of their policy to have English laws made the exclusive territory of English MPs. At least Clegg had the decency to condemn Milliband's cynical ploy. Do you? As an aside, these migrants are not exclusively Libyans; they comprise a significant proportion fleeing conflicts in Syria, Somalia and other parts of sub-Saharan Africa. This article throws some perspective onto the situation and although it is not up to date post Gaddafi, it illustrates that the problem existed long before his demise:- http://www.imi.ox.ac.uk/pdfs/Irregular%20migration%20from%20West%20Africa%20-%20Hein%20de%20Haas.pdf

This is the least number of Lib Dem posters I have ever seen in a General Election in the Eastleigh constituency. Usually it is awash with them, but I've hardly seen any.

Like you, I abhor the petty childish behaviour that has emerged through this election campaign. But it isn't just the Tories indulging in it, as Milliband's attempt to directly smear Cameron with some blame for the deaths of those refugees fleeing Libya illustrates. And then there are the constant snide references to the educational background of the Tory leadership, when many of the top Labour hierarchy were also educated privately. Hypocrisy abounds. Whelk: I agree with you. Certainly the views of most on here are entrenched already one way or the other. Ditto people tend to read the newspapers that reflect their own personal political views. Generally, the red top newspapers aren't bastions of serious political debate, so by and large their readership tend to like the bigoted stereotypical views against the parties they oppose. Where HS points to the poor behaviour of the politicians in this election, perhaps some pander to the baser instincts of the average Sun, Mirror, Star or Mail reader, who are the more likely floating voters who would be pursuaded by petty incidents rather than any deeper debate on political doctrine. Like you, I'm disappointed that the young voters aren't engaged more in politics. There are issues which directly affect them like further education fees, jobs and rental rates that one would have thought that they would have strong opinions about, but perhaps they hold the opinion that the current politicians are all bland and as bad as each other, or that they feel disenfranchised, or incapable of bringing about change.

No, I suspect that we were both watching the same programme, but that you have merely responded in the same way to my remarks as I would have if you had commented on how well that condescendingly hypocritical champagne socialist cow Harman had come across

Here is an extract from a Spurs fan blog:- Apparently what we sing is a "version" of the song. This moron obviously believes that the original song is the one that they sing and that we have somehow adapted the wording, as Liverpool have, simply substituting Saints or Reds for Spurs.

A good showing from William Hague on Question Time last night and I'm delighted at his announcement that the Tories will finally do something about the infamous West Lothian question if elected. I think that this policy will be a vote winner and they have caught the other parties on the hop with it. Harman labelled it back of a fag packet stuff, but it isn't as if the parties haven't had 38 years to consider it and in any event the basis for it is simple, that English matters be only voted on by elected English MPs. As the possibility of the SNP propping up a Labour administration looms ahead, it is timely for this to be brought out into the open now and each party given time to disclose their position on it.

Sounds rather like the politics of envy to me and you also admit to being prejudiced against the biggest section of wealth creators in the country, the middle classes, mainly on the basis that most of them who make the effort to buy their house as a family home might actually be rewarded by seeing the value of their property increase. Why should they pay a tax on the increase of the property value? They have paid tax on their earnings and also taxes to buy the property. Then they pay taxes to live in the house and also many will be taxed on it as the most substantial part of their estate when they pop their clogs. Thankfully, even if Labour thought along those lines, they have the sense to realise that it would be a disaster for them electorally.

Taxes based on property size which assume a connection to the size of a house to the occupant's wealth are hardly anything new. There was a window tax introduced in 1696 which ran for 150 years. Even then, people attempted to avoid paying it by blocking up some of their windows, in much the same way that they will find ways of avoiding paying as much of this so-called Mansion Tax. Torres' opinion didn't seem to constitute much getting of knickers in a twist, or frothing at the mouth, but it does appear that this sort of intemperate language has come from both you and Verbal this afternoon, so it seems that nerves have been touched to have elicited such a response.