Wes Tender

How's your mate Andy Adonis taking this massive defeat and humiliating embarrassment, Gavyn? When is he leaving for Cyprus?

As you correctly point out, Soggy is wrong in saying that we had a vote to join the EU years ago. We didn't join the EU. We joined the so-called Common Market, the EEC. It only morphed into the EU following Maastricht.

Exactly. It's unusual for Gavyn not to comprehend something like this.

He wouldn't be missed, apart from by his mate Gavyn. But his type never do actually stick to their promises to leave because Boris is PM. That Yasmin Alibhai-Brown cow promised to leave if Boris became Tory leader and she is still here. The trouble is, life in the UK is simply too good for these champagne Solialists under a Conservative government.

Yes you are. Be honest with yourself.

Who is that, Soggy? I call them Lib Dumbs. They aren't fit to be called Lib Dems, as they clearly weren't in any way democratic when they proposed overturning the referendum vote. Why do you think that they are the centre party? Are you naive enough to believe that Labour are left, Tories are right, therefore the Lib Dumbs must be the centre party?

She isn't very couth, is she? It's a pity that she hasn't received a proper upbringing, I pity her. How sad that the democratic process has brought about a result that she feels so badly about. She's young and hates the party of government of this country, so if she somehow manages to qualify as a doctor, I suggest that she f*cks off to some other country where she can do some good. Please don't become a doctor in this country with your foul-mouthed attitude.

You seem to have air-brushed over the word "original". You didn't say that it was effectively the same deal, you said it was the original deal. You have had your pants pulled down and are trying to bluster your way out of it as usual

Swinson is gone because she led a party that called themselves democrats, but then decided not to honour the democratic vote in a referendum. I'm amazed that you don't realise that. And where did I express any particular position on the Union? That's right, I didn't.

We'll have to wait and see. I've already said that WTO is fine by me. In the meantime, your crystal ball is no more accurate than mine.

Well, like LD, I must have missed it. I'm sure that you will be happy to bring us both up to speed. Or perhaps you mistakenly think that Boris's oven ready deal was exactly the same as the original May surrender treaty?

And the notable absentees who have joined them are Grieve, Gauke, Swinson, Letwin and Bercow. Good times.

You're in top insult form today, Gavyn. I think that you must really be suffering the indignity of the election result flying in the face of the outcome that you would have like and this is your backlash to sooth your furrowed brow. But as you say, you're going to come up smelling of roses no matter what happened, so you couldn't care a toss either way. You seem not to have realised that when Boris caved in to May's third vote on her surrender treaty, it was on the basis that he thought that the alternative was no Brexit at all. Do try and bring yourself up to speed on this, Gavyn. He is not only in a position now whereby as PM in a short time he had himself altered that original proposal despite the EU stating that it could not be done, but he now commands a stonking Parliamentary majority giving him a far stronger hand in the negotiations and the ability to walk away from them if he doesn't consider the deal favourable enough to our interests. I don't know what sort of consultant you are, but somebody as super-intelligent as you surely realises that rule one of business negotiation is that you must be prepared to walk away from a bad deal and that gives you an edge in those negotiations.

So what is the eventual trade deal going to be, oh great prophet seer? Super Canada will be fine, thank you. Anything that equates to what the hapless May would have arranged is not acceptable, nor is anything that would have satisfied Corbyn's Labour, with continued Customs Union and Single Market membership. Simple enough for you remoaners to understand that it should return our ability to control our laws, borders, money and trade. If that cannot be agreed, then leaving on WTO terms is not a problem for me.

I know that you have a very low opinion of the intelligence of the electorate, but that isn't an excuse for attempting to ignore the decisions taken by them in the democratic process and then act as if it is some huge surprise that they then throw out those arrogant know it all politicians at the very next opportunity. The only misery of others that I rejoice at, is for the likes of Grieve, Soubry, Wollaston, Gauke, Umunna, and those others who dishonestly stood on manifestos which they subsequently ignored, and who then left the party they stood for to join other parties without having the decency to put themselves up for re-election when they changed allegiances. Thankfully they have all lost their seats, and serve them right. The party which decided it was a good idea to ignore the referendum vote and act as if it hadn't happened, also saw their representation in the House reduced, together with the loss of their leader. The main opposition party achieved their worst election result ever. Was that because the electorate were too thick to understand all the wonderful things they proposed, or because they had lost touch with their traditional support base, which had also voted to leave the EU and felt that they had not been listened to? You typify the lefties, who believe that the way to finance the NHS, education, social services, housing etc, is by attempting to massively increase taxation of the wealthy, who are often the wealth creators making the economy strong and employing millions. Under a government like Corbyn's, they would remove themselves and their money out of the country reducing the taxation revenue and increasing unemployment. A fair taxation system incentivises individual effort and increases the profitability of business and companies, which can then invest, increase employment, raise more taxation revenue, which can then be channelled into investment in the NHS, education, housing, social services, etc. It is indeed ironic that you imply that large sections of the electorate are thick, whilst you yourself cannot comprehend the damage that a Corbyn Government propped up by the SNP would do to our economy.

Why would it be only on their terms? Wouldn't it be mutually beneficial, therefore on terms beneficial to both parties? Explain and justify your opinion.

If you're going to talk about "most of us" when expressing opinions, then certainly you are going to hear a lot more from me. Of course there is always the ignore button. Regarding ignoring the 5 more years of Conservative government, I'm sorry I can't suggest how you ignore that, short of emigrating. Where do you think would suit you, Soggy?

Most of us is Soggy's alter egos.

Joined up thinking isn't your strong point, is it?

You're tying yourself in knots. You did say precisely that. So you accept that despite a party adopting a particular position on Brexit, that a percentage of their voters adopt the opposite stance and therefore cannot be included in some hypothetical Party vote percentage for or against Brexit? I''ll still allow you the excuse that you might be tired.

You just can't accept that it was undemocratic to have a second/third referendum before the result of the last one had been enacted, can you? The blame for the massive Labour defeat is split between those who think Corbyn was to blame for it, or whether Labour voters in Leave voting seats felt betrayed by their remoaner MPs. You're going to come into some serious ridicule if you pursue the line that Brexiteers didn't have the bottle to put the question to the electorate. The question had been put, had been answered and had been ignored, hence the repercussions yesterday. As it's all moot now, kindly stop bleating about it. As you say, reality always wins. Today is the reality of the repercussions of the last three and a half years, and I'm happy for you that you are lucky enough to take an "I'm alright Jack, blow you" attitude towards it.

Self-deprecating irony is totally lost on you, isn't it? I'm poking fun at you for your ridiculous whining assertion that a firm mandate for pushing Brexit through is more divisive than a hung parliament renegotiating the whole withdrawal treaty with two further referendums would be, even before the original referendum decision had been honoured three and a half to four and a half years after the event

You're obviously a bit tired this morning, so your grey matter isn't functioning properly. You make the very elementary mistake of assuming that if a party was either pro-leave or pro-remain, then all of its voters would be too. Just as there are Conservative voters who voted to remain in the EU, there are also Labour, Lib Dumb, Greens, SNP, Plaid voters who were for leave. Brexit Party voters are the only ones you can exclude realistically. HTH

I wish that I had your clarity of thought and understanding of how you think the country ought to have voted if they weren't blinkered thickos who don't get out enough.

How are you Gavyn, this bright and sunny morning? Is that the best argument you can advance? Feebly clutching at straws and whining about how unfair it all was that the parties who deigned to ignore the referendum vote were punished by voters in their constituencies. For somebody who is always right, you seem to have miscalculated rather badly this time. Just as a matter of interest, who did you vote for?