Wes Tender

As you're obviously too young to have lived through the situation since we joined, then you aren't really in a position to be critical of my choice of adjective to describe my own thoughts on it. Sheaf Saint seems to consider that "enduring" is alarmist phraseology, which is ridiculously shrill and worthy of contempt. I'll put it into another context to try and make the meaning clearer. I have also had to endure over three years of incompetence by May in her negotiations with the EU. Most of the Brexiteers have had to endure it too, to the extent that they are thoroughly fed up with most politicians and just want to get it done. Yes, I am of or past retirement age, but as you know nothing about me or my family, it is pointless making assumptions about what will or will not affect me or them. Am I not allowed to wish the best for the careers of my children and their children?

Your usual MO. A few curt words designed to puff yourself up, taking no more than a few moments to type and adding little else. Well done, mate. You're so clever.

I agree, rewarding Oily Robbins with a knighthood for his abject failure to negotiate anything better than the EU Surrender Treaty Withdrawal Agreement is risible. No doubt the job with Goldman Sachs is the icing on the cake, win/win for the incompetent oaf and lose/lose for us poor buggers. Nick Ferrari has it bang on the money. https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/rewarded-for-screwing-up-nick-ferrari-brutal-take/ The only comfort I can take from this obnoxious rewarding of honours for dubious services rendered to public "servants" is that it is suggested that Bercow will be the only Speaker in our political history not to be given a seat in the Lords.

No it isn't. I'm afraid that the daily award for the most crap analogy is yours, unless somebody comes up with a worse one. Nobody has seen what leaving the EU means, because nobody like us has ever done it before. What you mean, is that some people are getting cold feet because of the constant drip,drip of project fear in the media saying that leaving with no deal will be a catastrophe, talk of cliff edges and other such alarmist phraseology. An equal number of voters is probably switching to the leave camp because they are heartily fed-up with the delaying tactics employed by the remoaners, who if they were honest, would admit that they don't want it delayed but overturned. Many of us had to endure the EEC/EU for over 40 years before we could vote on it again, but you lot are bleating about another referendum before we have even left. Frankly, it's pathetic. Democratic it certainly isn't.

Yes it is. Democratic is honouring the first referendum vote before calling for a second one. HTH

Are there any voters still alive that voted for them then?

Bercow's behaviour was disgusting and personal. No wonder that he has faced accusations that he is a bully. But it doesn't surprise me that you find it funny, as that is how you behave too.

So was Maggie Thatcher. Are you suggesting that being elected three times makes somebody fireproof over everything they do?

I don't recall that. Please do give me a link. The holding of a referendum was an election pledge, from the majority party elected, so what was the problem? I expect that Bercow (who admitted that he voted Remain, although he is supposed to be impartial) probably thought that Remain would win the referendum, so was happy to accommodate it.

No doubt Cummings and Co had depended on Bercow doing his job properly, being even-handed and respecting centuries of Parliamentary procedure. It's a pity that there appears to be no procedure for dismissing the egotistical little toad.

Regarding Letts' tweet, I hadn't read it, but having done so, I suspect that most who responded don't get the tongue in cheek heavy irony. As for the vexatious constitutional litigant Miller, perhaps she should have employed you to consult her rather than her legal council. They seem to be a grossly incompetent lot. Thankfully when it comes down to ruling on Constitutional procedure the judiciary aren't as cavalier as Bercow is in interpreting it.

But there are upsides. Gina Miller and Major lost their court case against Boris proroguing Parliament and are going to waste even more of Soris' money by appealing. And Robert Mugade, one of the World's biggest tyrants is dead. So reasons to be happy.

I refer you to the post by GM above, number 13729. That is the reason for their blinkered comment, their vested interests. Nobody believes them any more, because their forecasts are like Peter and the Wolf. Of course they don't want to mention what would happen if the Marxist chicken was to be elected, because that muddies the waters by shining a spotlight on what they and their ilk are achieving by their project fear forecasts, risking him being elected. It would bloody well serve them right. In the meantime, here is an excellent opinion piece from our Southampton ex-MP, bang on the money as he has been on his Brexit commentary so far. https://brexitcentral.com/remainer-mps-are-doing-incalculable-damage-to-democracy-with-their-ongoing-sabotage-of-the-referendum-result/

That's strange. Surely the main threat to sterling would be and election win by Corbyn?

Nothing wrong with my statement about Clarke's voting record on the EU. I stand by it. You can mention his record on May's Surrender Treaty by all means, but Clarke has also consistently voted with Labour to scupper Brexit by allowing them to take control of the House to thwart no deal. Good riddance to the senile old goat.

I am negotiating deals on a daily basis, mate.

What a facile way to respond; just state that a poster doesn't understand how the EU operates in negotiations. How are the principles in negotiating a deal different? Would we get a better deal by telling them that we will accept anything that they are kind enough to grant us?

I wasn't quoting facts; I was expressing an opinion. As are you, as you have not one jot of evidence that any single one of them might have voted otherwise. HTH

Are there two Ken Clarkes in the House? Regarding the EU, Clarke has more often voted for more EU integration and for membership of the EU. His record of voted on the referendum was mixed. It's you who looks silly. Clarke is probably historically the most pro-EU MP in the House.

So you do understand that in negotiations it is a very poor strategy to not be prepared to walk away from a bad deal? Maybe you just expressed yourself poorly, because you gave the impression that you disapproved of Boris wanting to pursue that strategy.

You appear to believe naively that the likes of Ken Clarke and the other Conservative MPs who were expelled from the Party would have acted differently since Boris was elected Prime Minister, had he gone about things in a different way. Every single one of them, Clarke especially, has been determined to vote down everything pro-Brexit for the past three years, even against May. You're not going to infer that she was being unreasonable or unyielding to their shenanigans, are you? You crack me up.

You really are quite simple when it comes to business negotiating strategy, aren't you? Rule number one. Always be prepared to walk away from a bad deal, or your negotiating position is feeble and you will get taken advantage of. Badger also doesn't seem to realise that a no deal exit is bad for the EU too, so that they would have had more incentive to grant a more beneficial agreement in our mutual interests. Now they have no incentive to negotiate any change to the Theresa May surrender Treaty. As for the "committing suicide" comment, that really is ridiculous hyperbole. Aren't you going to justify Bercow's unconstitutional actions with your outstanding knowledge of Parliamentary procedure, as I asked you to above?

It might be dressing, but it allows the Prime Minister to scupper this sort of Parliamentary pantomime that has been brought about by the Remain lot.

Is that the best you can do? Aren't you going to dazzle us with your intimate knowledge on Parliamentary and Constitutional protocol?

Boris has played a blinder, but a totally biased Speaker has gone against constitutional protocol to favour the remain side. Corbyn now looks like an idiot for constantly calling for a GE and now when he is asked to vote for one, he chickens out. As for the rest of your post, you really do have no idea, believing that the Tory Party should morph into the Lib Dumbs. As for the Churchill's grandson bit, I don't give a toss. The bloke voted with Labour to defeat his own government and it was made clear to him what the consequences would be. He is not standing in the forthcoming GE anyway. Speaking of prominent Parliamentarian's offspring, Wedgie Benn must be rolling over in his grave for what his son did.