Wes Tender

Stick your fingers in your ears, place your hands over your eyes and demonstrate just how blinkered and narrow minded you must be to ignore any counter arguments or criticism to your beloved EU.

Jeff, Professor Gwythian Prins:- He was a University Lecturer in Politics. He has also served in many public service roles since the 1990s at NATO, within the UK Ministry of Defence and as advisor to several governments on issues of energy and climate policy. He is currently a member of the Chief of the Defence Staff’s Strategy Advisory Panel and of the Royal Marines Advisory Group. He is an honorary member both of the RN Special Boat Service and of the Army Intelligence Corps. I assume that you do not question the expertise in security matters of the former head of M16, Sir Richard Dearlove. And the article referenced to the additional support of Field Marshal the Lord Guthrie. I take it that you would also accept his expertise in military matters too, Jeff?

https://brexitcentral.com/defence-intelligence-threats-national-security-embedded-draft-brexit-deal/ Meanwhile, this is how some our own high level Defence experts view the implications of the Withdrawal Agreement on UK Defence policies.

You used to be a Samaritan? I am assuming that they sacked you. Judging from your posts on here, I can't believe that you had the attributes the job required.

Sky have Sims as MOTM. They also wondered what Southgate might have thought of players' prospects of playing for England from the performances today. Danny Rose gets black marks for allowing Valery to score and being lucky not to have seen red from his tackle on Armstrong on the edge of the box. I have never rated Rose over Bertrand, and surely he is only preferred because he plays for Spurs. Ward-Prowse has brought forward his claim for a place in the England squad, but Sky thought that would be a surprise. However, out of nowhere and in view largely of his performance today, Sims is considered by Sky to be a future England prospect.

What could be sweeter than us beating our old manager with somebody who essentially has the same philosophy of playing with the high press? Spurs were riding high in the table with an expensively constructed team full of England and international stars, and two if not three players in devastating scoring form. On paper they could have completely overrun us, but in much the same way that we gave Manchester United a real run for their money last week, we are once more proving to be a team that makes up in effort for a lack of star players and are capable on the day of being a match for anybody. And just like the Manchester United match, we scored goals from our right back, Valery, and from a superb Ward-Prowse free kick. But this time we came back from a goal down and went ahead and saw the game out for a vital three points, made more vital by the teams around us winning too. This was the archetypal game of two halves. We were really poor in the first half and Spurs were winning the midfield balls and dominating the game. Our defence held firm under duress, and Spurs fluffed several chances to score. Inevitably though, Kane would find the opportunity to punish us when given too much space in the box. Saints though are not a team which lies down and gives up any more, and the half time whistle gave Hasenhuttl the opportunity to make the changes tactically and via substitution to attempt to turn the match around. Sims started to change the momentum in our favour from the moment he came on. Like Redmond he is small and nippy, a problem for defenders when he runs at them with the ball at his feet. Noticeably, we also played Bertrand and Valery out wider than we had done in the first half, opening up space in the midfield and during virtually all of the second half we were the dominant team. Austin had been substituted for Long, who then went off injured, bringing on Armstrong. Romeu had also gone off, walking a tightrope from a yellow early in the match for a stupid pull back on a Spurs player. On the face of it, we were weaker in midfield without Romeu, but Armstrong has been good, strong and mobile of late, carrying more of a forward threat. A feature of several games under Hassenhuttl has been that despite appearing to be short of depth in several areas, he has faith in the players who have been ignored or discarded by his predecessors. The latest recruit today was Sims, who given the opportunity has grasped it with both hands. The refereeing from Keith Friend was diabolical as usual. This isn't the first time that he has got the bird from all sections of the crowd for his incompetence. As usual, far more went the way of the glory team, but thankfully it didn't count against us in the end. https://hoofoot.com/?match=Southampton_2_-_1_Tottenham_2019_03_09 These highlights show us to be lucky as Spurs threw away gilt chances to score, but the final score tells the real story that matters. The atmosphere during the second half was the best this season in my opinion, aided by thicko Spurs fans singing our song and lifting our players. Hasenhuttl did a lap of honour to applaud the fans at the final whistle.

The Euro is irrelevant to the economic situation in Europe?

Stop it! We must stop meeting like this, people are starting to talk about us.

Fingers crossed.

You're entitled to your narrow minded opinion. As I already said, if you're going take the view that every single person who is a member of UKIP, or votes for them must be horrible nasty people, then I'm afraid to have to tell you that you that when you are out and about, they are all around you without you even knowing it. Scary, eh?

*yawn*

I fail to understand that politics is not just about Brexit? Just because I post opinions on Brexit on a thread titled "Post EU - The way Forward"? All your posts on this thread are about Brexit to, aren't they? You're clearly obsessed with it yourself. I have listened to Taylor's video again and don't see how mentioning the leader of the party that he is an elected Councillor for makes him an apologist for him. If I mention May in a post, does that make me an apologist for her? I also have never seen Taylor express any thoughts on Tommy Robinson, so neither can claim him to be an apologist for him too. To answer your question, although the reasons for asking it are a bit feeble, UKIP has not been the same since Farage left it, and yes it was a mistake to allow Robinson to join. But I'm level-headed enough to accept that there are plenty of members of UKIP who are perfectly normal, decent people and who also have reservations about the leadership of their party. Why, even I have strong opinions about the lack of qualities and abilities of the leader of my own party and I'm sure that there are plenty of members of the other parties who aren't happy with their leaders too. You on the other hand, appear to be blinkered enough to lump together everybody who is a UKIP supporter and assume that they do not have the same variety of opinions and factions within the party as any other political party, for some reason. I don't see anything particular extreme about Taylor's opinions or his background, so I would put him on the moderate wing of UKIP Anyway, UKIP aren't my party and if the two main parties hope to continue to dominate British politics, they had better deliver an acceptable Brexit. If it is delayed seriously, fudged or cancelled, then Farage, and UKIP will become a serious electoral threat to them again.

Comprehension failure? I asked you to leave aside his political affiliations when discussing what you didn't like about him otherwise. And in the interests of showing some balance, a handful of Tories and several Labour MPs have deserted those parties to form the so-called Independent Group. What are your views on whether they should have the decency to resign as MPs and fight by-elections if they had any shred of decency and morality? Taylor is a UKIP Councillor, and regardless of your opinion, at least he hasn't ratted on his voters, like they did. And where UKIP has lurched further to the right since the departure of Farage, Labour has lurched further to the left with the appointment of the Marxist Corbyn as leader and the rise of Momentum. There will be further seismic shifts in British politics if Brexit isn't delivered properly and the growth of populist support in the UK will mirror that which has already manifested itself in many of the EU member states. Regarding my blood pressure, it is entirely normal, thank you. But I am very touched by your concern for my health.

What conspiracy driven nonsense? He generally comes out with a reasonably sensible assessment of the current developments and their implications. Your infantile insinuations and accusations on the other hand, paint you as a bitter and twisted individual, lashing out at anybody who disagrees with you. Viewing his opinions against your posts, makes him appear quite a balanced and mature person by comparison. If you choose not to accept that I am a Conservative, despite being a Party member since I was 19, then fill your boots. Your opinions don't bother me. Water off a duck's back, old man.

No longer a question of different views on Brexit? Do grow up. The country is split almost down the middle and cross party over Brexit. I find myself with some strange bedfellows on the issue, the likes of George Galloway and the Communist Party and several Labour MPs past and present. As I said, you are narrow minded, condemning the opinions of any individual solely because of their political affiliations. Leaving aside his political affiliations and accepting that the leave and remain camps comprise people from across the political spectrum, what is it that you would otherwise hold against him apart from him being a leaver?

Here is a bit of info on the horrible nasty bloke:- I served in the Royal Navy for twenty-five marvellous years, leaving with the rank of Lieutenant Commander. During my naval career, I saw service in the 1982 Falklands War (HMS Sheffield) as well as serving on the ground wearing the UN blue beret during the aftermath of the break-up of the Former Republic of Yugoslavia. I spent my final three years in the RN as the nuclear deterrent operational planning officer in the London headquarters. On leaving the RN I became an NHS senior manager for some years prior to qualifying as a financial and mortgage advisor and gaining a law degree from the Open University. I also co-own and edit The Economic Voice, an online news resource. I am a proud father and grandfather of three daughters and three grandsons! A young 59 years old, I believe in keeping active so can be found three or four evenings a week in my local gym. Together with a bachelor’s degree in law, I have a post-graduate diploma in management studies, a certificate in social sciences and am a member of the Chartered Management Institute. Seems a perfectly decent sort of bloke to me, so he must only be horrible to you because he has a different point of view over Brexit. Narrow minded or what? Ironically, because you have encountered him on here, he becomes a contact for Timmy and Jeff, Jeff especially, as they share the same first name and according to you, he is also unbelievable.

Don't be stupid.

You're not a contact of mine. You're an anonymous poster on a football forum and I wouldn't know you from Adam if I bumped into you in the street. Just to imagine a potentially parallel situation, somebody was sat close to Ollie Robbins in a Brussels bar, overheard him shooting his mouth off about the Government's Brexit strategy and told a close friend about it, who happened to be a journalist. You know nothing about who John Petley's source was, or whether he himself is a reliable source of information. As a bible thumper, Petley ought to be a pretty straight up guy, but then May is a vicar's daughter and lies all the time, so I won't base my opinion of his plausibility on that.

“John Petley on Tuesday, 05 March 2019 13:58 Without links, etc, I can appreciate your caution. However, giving away too much detail could put people at risk. The person who has seen it is a Brexit supporter in a foreign country whose reliability I trust. He has a contact who has provided him access to these transcripts but who would face very serious disciplinary issues if any attempt was made to provide unauthorised copies of them. Subsequent to receiving these details, my contact has passed on to me other pieces of information from the same source which have then been reported in the UK press a day or two later, so I am confident of the reliability of what has been posted here. I would love to have been sent actual copies of the transcripts, but if I had been, the national media would have been very interested and we would probably have a new PM by now. I appreciate that my answer isn’t fully satisfactory but what is posted here does to me seem completely consistent with the PM’s behaviour since Chequers, although I believe she has underestimated the strength of feeling against the EU in her own party – both MPs and grassroots activists.” And here is another response to criticism: “John Petley on Tuesday, 05 March 2019 17:26 MY source is dependent on a contact of his who, in even allowing him to see the transcription, was taking a great risk. To have provided a copy of it would have been one step too far – just too dangerous. Please see my reply to “Moraymint” below. I would love to be able to unearth a copy of the transcription. Perhaps an investigative journalist might succeed where us ordinary folk end up hitting the buffer stops.”

https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/secret-documents-reveal-plans-for-britain-to-re-enter-eu-in-2020-amp/ Some more flesh on the bones.

As usual, you do not listen to the comment in its entirety, or deliberately don't quote it accurately. Quel Surprise! For your benefit, the missing words after "claims", are "because of the sensitivity of the source". As to the reasons why the article was pulled, who knows? They called it a draft and stated that it would be reworked and updated and that they hoped to publish it again as soon as it is ready. In the meantime, it is futile shooting the messenger and denigrating the source of the article at present, as it could well come to pass that if there is indeed solid foundations to it, you lot are going look pretty stupid.

What more could I expect from you as a response? Ignore your own personal bile for a second and concentrate on the content if you are even remotely capable. He refers to the details an article he read that had appeared on the Bruges Group website, making allegations of a stitch up sell-out of Brexit between May and Merkel. For whatever reason, that has been pulled. I wouldn't be in the least surprised if there was truth in it, but now that it has surfaced, no doubt there will be some fevered attempts to establish its veracity, and if it is true, equally fevered attempts to bury it. As I said, political dynamite if substantiated.

An interesting conspiracy theory about May's really bad deal that is worse than no deal. If there is any truth in this, then it is political dynamite.

I have on a couple of occasions in post match reports bemoaned the loss of Tadic's creativity and opined that Elyounoussi wasn't a credible replacement for him.

Brilliant.