Unbelievable Jeff

Ronaldo is on the list but Portugal haven't...

I'd add Zlatan as well to that group.

Loads available when I got mine yesterday.

Sergio Aguero and David Silva are two, as would be Alexis Sanchez and possibly Mesut Ozil. Coutinho is not even close to 'World Class'.

The way the Tory press are treating Corbyn is risible, but at the same time it's not as if we haven't seen similar (although possible not on this scale) the other way round. But hey, who actually listens to the press nowadays anyway, all factions are a joke.

Well, I think here is one of them...

Rogers has still played though hasn't he? Didn't realise Hitzelsperger came out after retiring. Either way, the point still stands (if not rather weakly).

True story.

According to 'some' on this thread. I think the issue is that in today's society it shouldn't be a big thing, but it is as that is the reputation. But you look at Hitzelsperger and Robbie Rogers, and neither seem to have had much in the way of issues in the playing arena since coming out.

Why is some of it not garden-variety abuse? I'm sure some is. Once every 8 years is pretty low in my eyes. But that's opinions I suppose.

Evening Fatso. Followed me back over here have you? Couldn't take me not posting on Papsweb and trying to wind me up over there?

Well, I certainly wouldn't do that. I know a hate crime requires an additional element of bias, but I would say the average person probably suffers from some sort of crime every couple of years, I know I certainly have. You keep on mentioning assault, which accounts for a third of all hate crimes against LGBT, so that would mean one is assaulted every 24 years because of their sexual preference. That doesn't sound a lot to me.

It's a bizarre list to be fair.

Yes it is too often , but I would say no different than from any other walk of life. The stats I have quoted are from your evidence and have proved my point, that was my, err, point, above. I would say that if those stats are your point, and not the earlier claim that you have experienced homophobia on a weekly basis, and that if you're a member of the LGBT community this is amplifiedr, then you agree with my viewpoint. The problem comes when you back yourself into a corner with statistics that you either haven't read properly or don't understand, as it has disproved and undermined what you have said on this thread. It has proved the opposite of your earlier points, which is why I've wanted you to explain the stats and how they fit in with your view. You've just come across a bit silly from my point if view.

No different to day to day life though is it? I think 1 in 8 people to be subject to one of the crimes that are defined as hate crimes is about right?

Do you think that a member of the LGBT community experiencing one hate crime every 10 years is excessive? Does this tally with that video you saw the other day: "> Video evidence presented on here from a gay teenager living in the UK today that relates his personal experiences with homophobia are also rejected as being unrepresentative - this despite the evidence (qv) seeming to show that his experiences are probably fairly typical." Can you please discuss the statistics that I took from the evidence you presented and tell me how that tallies with your experiences, and the 'typical' experience of the gay teenager living in the UK?

How much hate crime is there? Answer: There are over 1000 homophobic crimes and about 50 transphobic crimes recorded by police in London each year A quarter of reported homophobic crimes happen in London This is from that Galop report for 2013, which puts UK homophobic crimes at about 4000? If correct, and the LGBT community is 4m, then that means that only 1 in 1000 LGBT is subject to a hate crime per year? All that proves is that it is less common then even my stats above showed. The problem I have with the crime survey is that it is quite a small sample size, around 0.06% of the LGBT community, and even then it says that 1 in 10 have experienced an incident in the last year, so it's likely that an LGBT person would experience a hate crime once every ten years. That seems pretty low to me and doesn't tally with the impression you're giving. What do those figures say to you? They are from your evidence so I assume they are correct.

No, he seems to have removed himself from the debate...

According to this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-19-best-uk-cities-to-live-and-work-in-revealed-a6723046.html 19 Highest ranked cities for growth: 1. Reading & Bracknell 2. Oxford 3. Edinburgh 4. Cambridge 5. Aberdeen 6. Southampton 7. Bristol 8. Belfast 9. Leicester 10. Coventry 11. Portsmouth 12. Preston 13. Norwich 14. Swindon 15. Milton Keynes & Aylesbury 16. Plymouth 17. Cardiff 18. Brighton 19. Stoke-on-Trent 19 worst ranked cities for growth: 1. Wakefield & Castleford 2. Middlesbrough & Stockton 3. London (Boroughs Only) 4. Sunderland 5. Liverpool 6. Bradford 7. Birmingham 8. London 9. Swansea Bay 10. Maidstone & North Kent 11. Hull 12. Southend & Brentwood 13. Newcastle & Durham 14. Sheffield & Rotherham 15. Manchester 16. Glasgow 17. Wirral & Ellesmere Port 18. Warrington & Wigan 19. Nottingham Very surprised how low Liverpool is, considering all I've heard for a long time is how it's the best place in the UK, bar none.

Luckily (and I know not everyone is that lucky), no I wouldn't be worried, my family and friends would have no issue with it. It is sad that some people feel like that, but hopefully we're becoming more tolerant as a society and it won't be long until this is no longer a problem.

Well, people interpret statistics in their own way against their own measures. Be interesting to see what CEC comes back with though.

So the LGBT population of the UK is around 1.8%, with the unofficial population set at around 80m. From that we can deduce that, using 3 years of statistics, about 16000 hate crimes have taken place for 1.44m people. That means in the last 3 years, 1 in 90 LGBT have been subject to a reported hate crime. Even if we say only half have been reported, that is 1 in every 45 people. For me, that doesn't seem particularly high, although maybe I work on a different scale to others.

What evidence is that CEC? Are you saying that because he's been subjected to it, every homosexual has been subjected to it? Or that because he's been subject to it, it tallies with the fact 1 in 6 have been subject to it in the last 3 years? I don't understand what you're tallying against, and you're still to hit us with some proper figures, even though we have asked you repeatedly to 'come out' with some.

Or homosexuals on this thread...

Again, in UK rural communities - why are you showing us such small sample sizes? I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but you're yet to show me a astatistic that says it is a common everyday problem, and that it is even slightly comparable to race crimes. In 2014/15, there were 52,528 hate crimes recorded by the police, an increase of 18 per cent compared with the 44,471 hate crimes recorded in 2013/14, of which: - 42,930 (82%) were race hate crimes; - 5,597 (11%) were sexual orientation hate crimes; - 3,254 (6%) were religion hate crimes; - 2,508 (5%) were disability hate crimes; and - 605 (1%) were transgender hate crimes.