Unbelievable Jeff

I disagree. I think he should be able to retaliate to horror tackles like that.

Lol, you think they'd have made the documentary I'm that spirit had they been given free reign. Don't be so naive.

A quarter of all doctors and nurses in the UK are immigrants because we have a shortage of the necessary skills. So you'd be in the same situation really. If you were out of work for a year, which would you be more worried about?

Personally I don't think he should get any ban, not after that challenge. It was utterly appalling.

My god, she hasn't a clue. At least Russell Brand tries to back up his madcap ideas.

It's mainly about keeping people in work though, creating enough work for those that live here. Net immigration needs to reduce, but this is very much secondary to having an economy that is not stagnating or deflating.

So your point is that it affects some people negatively and some positively? Wow, with that sort of insight you should be doing something far more important than writing on a forum. I do understand the use of mean statistics and the general irrelevance of it for small sample sizes, the point was Whitey was quoting GDP per head so thought that was the best way to present the information back to him? Is that OK with you? For some it is important, but it is nowhere near of the importance of having a stable economy, come on? I will repeat my stance. The single most important issue is to do with having a stable or growing economy, and immigration should not be treated with anywhere near the importance that it is. I expect the reason immigration comes up time and time again, like benefits, where the economic importance is actually very small, is because people love something to complain about, especially when Johnny Foreigner is involved. I bet if we deported a large number of immigrants, we would see very little difference in our day to day lives, apart from not being able to get to see a doctor.

But not in an economic way is your point? Fine, perhaps, although as it's such an intangible thing it's hard to see day to day issues with it. Do you live in an area of high immigrants then? Personally i don't think I do although I couldn't really tell you.

What are we arguing here? Can someone enlighten me please? Have I completely missed something? My point is that immigration is such a small proportion of the overall economy that it shouldn't be viewed as anywhere near the issue it is, and that it is in fact one of the smallest issues in relation to the wellbeing of this country and those that live within it

Edit: Read back through and understand what you're getting at... As far as net migration statistics go, they are far higher than we want them to be, but are people really struggling to find places to live due to immigration? Be interested to see if it's true or a fallacy. Obviously the Tories have failed in trying to reduce it to 100,000 or les. Do we just shut our borders? That just won't happen happen.

91% Conservative 81% UKIP 77% Lib Dem 68% Labour

It's a very small percentage of the overall economy though, that's the point. Very small. Of course money isn't everything, but to see an increase in quality of life and living standards they are of course linked, certainly in this country. http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/235 Impact of Immigration on GDP per Head The gross domestic product of a country divided by the number of its citizens is regarded as the standard measure of the prosperity of the inhabitants of a country. In 2010, the UK’s GDP per head was ranked 21st in the world at around £21,500. Ideally, in assessing the benefits of immigration, it is the GDP per head of the ‘resident’ population of the UK which should be the focus. 3.1 House of Lords Report In 2008 the report of the Economic Affairs Committee of the House of Lords concluded (Para. 62) (Click here): “The overall conclusion from existing evidence is that immigration has very small impacts on GDP per capita, whether these impacts are positive or negative. This conclusion is in line with findings of studies of the economic impacts of immigration in other countries including the US.”

I think the living standards and quality of life part is the most important point here, and it is all about distribution of wealth and fairness within those bounds. However, we won't see an increase in quality of life with a faltering economy, they are intrinsically linked. If the economy grows it's very unlikely that quality of life will diminish, although the distribution will obviously change dependant on political party. It's one of those situations where you don't know whether to upset the apple cart, vote left (not really anymore but you get my point) for more equality but the potential for bigger borrowing and a chance for a return to an unstable economy, or vote right for more inequality, with the chance to carry on growing the economy. Tough choices ahead. Either way, immigration is always a far bigger topic than it needs to be in social and economic terms.

I completely agree they claim less, but that is why immigration is a hot topic. It's got nothing to do with stealing jobs as that doesn't happen. Agree about millionaire tax evaders/avoiders.

Exactly this. Immigration is such a hot topic yet I see it as positive for this country, which you wouldnt think given my general political viewpoint. However, this country would be in a far worse state if we couldn't 'import' a lot of our areas of need, ie doctors. The issue isnt immigration, it's the claiming of benefits by immigrants.

Pogba is and will be worth that as far as football goes, the guy is unbelievable. And he's 21.

Agree with this.

Would do that without the £20m. In fact I might chuck £5m the other way. The guy is mustard at what he does.

Because it's not a true representation. They are edited in a way to create controversy.

I really don't get why it is though? Stupid. The single most important issue is the economy. This is what feeds down to affect pretty much all other policies.

Why do Barca need him, considering they have Busquets?

If you're looking for a relationship, C. If I was looking for a girl to settle down with I'd prefer them to be dressed in C, prefer classy to slutty.

Was it meant to go through the wall?

****ing hell bear, you're better than that...

Brilliant, a program to raise tensions against immigrants, just what we need 3 months before a ****ing election.