Unbelievable Jeff

That's my point. They don't care about how destabilising ISIS is to these countries and may try to help them, even though ISIS in theory should have a hatred of Israel and shouldn't want help from them.

Does it not just show that what ISIS are doing is not racially motivated, more that they are just intent on causing death through violence, under the name of Islam. The fact that ISIS are acting in countries whose governments have historically spoken out against Israel as a state, probably makes it easy for them to support them covertly. Be very risky for the Israelis though, they could get cut adrift from the West if proven.

So racism is only admissable if the person it affects thinks it's racist? In isolation it looks racist. Looking at the fact that they also chucked off others, I don't believe it is. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Either way, I think we can agree it's monumentally stupid.

Yes, agreed, but all we have to deal with is the facts. The fact they did this does not necessarily mean they have a hatred towards black people. It also doesn't necessarily count as racist behaviour.

Not sure, frankly. The attack isn't racially motivated, but he does use racist language. I guess it's like getting into a fight with a fat bloke after lots of thin blokes, and then him saying 'take that you fat fück' whilst punching him. Would that mean he has a hatred towards fat people? Not necessarily.

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I did say that I doubt I frequent the right places, but I go out in London a lot and have never experienced anything. That is not to say it doesn't happen, as I would say it definitely does.

But were they abusing him? They did the same thing to other people not dependant on creed or colour. It's like us being in the same situation. Numerous people have tried to get on. The last one is black. We tell him he can't get on (I wouldn't push him off), and me turning to you and saying jokingly 'God, I'm such a racist', as that is how it could be perceived in isolation. That is the kind of thing I believe has happened here, with the chant being to a certain extent, ironic. ****ing stupid thing to do though, should and will get banned if found out. Prison though? Nah, not for me.

Exactly, I just don't think he would. I think it's something that somebody has heard, it just so happens he works for Accrington.

Yeah, possibly so. I just remember a number of people on here in the past making judgements of him by not actually meeting him properly and blatantly going up to him, drunk in Jacks and expecting him to be their best mate.

Why would he tell that story to someone at Accrington? Even if he did that at the time he'd know now it is a stupid thing to do.

Lumb, Hales, Stokes, Carberry and Roy should all be in. Moores will go.

The same as pushing various people off a train, and then singing that song also does not make them racist. They may be racist, but I don't think this behaviour is racist. It's ****ing stupid, and shouldn't happen, but not sure if racist myself.

I work in London and live on the outskirts, and I haven't really seen any racism up here, but then I doubt I frequent the right places for that. The only racism I see is towards gypsies (and nothing violent, just the fact that you are told to be very careful around them), but then I'm not sure if it's racism as I am yet to meet one who won't try to steal things out of your garden...

Yes, but would you call John Terry racist? One of his best mates is Ashley Cole, and I am sure he doesn't make his black teammates sit at the back of the bus, or treat them any differently. He made a racist comment. I'm not 100% sure that makes him a racist. The chanting doesn't make them racist, as the chanting isn't inherently racist. They are not saying bad things about black people in those chants.

The difference is whether this was indeed racially motivated, or whether or not these are faux racists. Essentially they don't have a problem with people of a different colour, but it's something controversial to chant and makes them feel big. For instance, when watching Chelsea do you think they boo their black players? Also, from what is written on here about numerous people of all backgrounds being pushed off the train, I don't think it is racist. Stupid, bullying behaviour yes, but racist, I'm not sure. I think this incident just shows how ****ing stupid these fans are, and how socially inept they are.

Haha, love Godwins law. As soon as someone invokes it you realise they can only deal in black and white, and not the intricacies of argument, or in this case social behaviour/politics.

Wish I still could, going to come down from London to do Common People though, 31st birthday innit!

A couple that came on this morning on the train into work - first song is awesome:

See my experience was completely the opposite, but maybe that was because when I went out with him I was in the group ( I was a mate of a golfer who know him well). He was a really nice guy, very generous, not up himself at all. Wayne Bridge on the other hand...

Fleetwood Mac are awesome, don't know how some of the comments above get past moderators in all honesty. Prodigy I have seen twice, IOW in '09 and Glastonbury '09. Have to say I was disappointed, they were alright but not as good as I thought they would. For example at IOW Pendulum played before them and blew them out the water (which I never expected). Seemed that Prodigy just couldn't follow them properly. Also saw Australian Pink Floyd for the first time there, who are fapping awesome. Have to say Bestival looks brilliant this year with the Chems playing.

Unsurprising. I'm sure he's on 70k per week at Atletico as well, so he'd have to take a pay cut anyway to join. As an aside, and say it quietly, but Maya has been pretty good this season when asked to step up.

I’ve spent a week at West Brom and Swansea to see how they work. David Moyes has invited me over to Real Sociedad and it’s nice to see a smile back on his face. I met Ronald de Boer at the weekend and his brother Frank is managing Ajax. They’ve invited me over for a week too so those trips will be interesting to see how they do it on the continent. I want to learn all the time and develop my knowledge of the game and my own philosophy. I know I’m capable of getting a team to compete and that I can create the right spirit at a club, making sure that everybody is pulling in the same direction. I’m hungry for my next challenge.

Good to hear he spends a lot of time watching Saints now. Was a good lad (whenever I met him), and not the **** that alot of people made him out to be: http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/2353813-exclusive-james-beattie-on-the-secrets-of-southamptons-football-factory Exclusive: James Beattie on the Secrets of Southampton's Football Factory Perhaps it’s the sunshine. Or the fresh air. Whatever the cause (and with apologies to Portsmouth), the south coast of England has produced two clubs this season who are threatening to shake up the establishment. Bournemouth are riding high in the Championship and Southampton have defied everyone to become the surprise package of the Premier League. Last summer, the Saints sold Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren, Calum Chambers and Rickie Lambert for a combined total of £92 million, leaving most observers predicting that the Saints would be facing another relegation scrap. But under Ronald Koeman, and with the latest crop of exciting young players making a big impression, Southampton remain in the hunt for a top-four finish and Champions League football. Former striker James Beattie is one of those thrilled by the club’s unexpected rise. I think the best thing that happened last summer was that the owner Katharina Liebherr gave Ronald all that money to go and reinvest. That’s a huge step. The club then recruited some fantastic, largely unknown, players because the manager knows the European market very, very well. Recruitment is probably 90 per cent of your success in football, employing the right people and getting them to work in the same way, whether it be the manager, the coaching staff or the players of course. How the hell they got Alderweireld on loan I’ll never know. It takes time to spot a player like that. Outside the club, people were making assumptions, but talking to people inside Southampton, Koeman was always full of confidence and that dripped through to the squad. Beattie himself made 235 appearances for Southampton, scoring 76 goals. He moved to Everton in January 2005 before rediscovering his goalscoring touch in the first of two spells at Sheffield United, but as we talk in a seaside restaurant near Bournemouth, it’s clear his heart still lies with the Saints. “I’ve seen 10 of the last 15 games, home and away. I speak to a few of the lads in the dressing room and they say Koeman’s training is top drawer, he’s personable and gets his message across. To go to Old Trafford for example and play 3-5-2 was great. "I thought it was really ballsy to have so much faith in himself and his team. The players in that tunnel must have thought ‘he really thinks we can do this, so let’s go out and do it.' They are punching above their weight and it’s a great thing to see.” Beattie turns 37 later this year, but it was as a fresh-faced 20-year-old in July 1998 that he was forced to leave his hometown club Blackburn Rovers and head south as part of the deal that saw Kevin Davies move in the opposite direction. It was a disappointment to leave Blackburn initially because I grew up in Blackburn and was a Blackburn fan. I was upset to begin with, but what came afterwards and the way my career developed at Southampton is something that dreams are made of and I owe a lot to Dave Jones. I’d lived at home until that point so I had to grow up very quickly and become independent. I lived in the Hilton hotel for four months which is where I met David Howells who had just moved from Tottenham. We struck up an instant relationship and we remain good friends even now. I spent six-and-a-half years there and I look on those years very fondly. It was probably at the right time in my life too…to live on the south coast, with the fantastic weather and all that. The club moved from The Dell to St Mary’s and it was a great time to be there, hoping that one day your performances would contribute to the progression of the club. In 2003 under Gordon Strachan, Beattie scored 23 goals and helped Southampton to a seventh-place finish in the Premier League and a place in the FA Cup final. “We overachieved basically because of the atmosphere that Gordon Strachan had created and the way the lads approached their profession. There were no real superstars in our team but sometimes as a team we were unbeatable." Beattie’s 23-goal haul almost gave him the honour of being the Premier League’s top scorer in the 2002/03 campaign, but he chuckles as he tells the story. “I was in the top three of the goalscorer chart pretty much all the way through that season and we played Man City away on the final day. It was their last ever game at Maine Road. I was on 23 goals, Thierry (Henry) was on 23 as well and Ruud (van Nistelrooy) was on 24. "I was shooting from all over the place! I think we won 1-0 and spoilt the Man City party, but I remember shooting from, like, 50 yards and the lads were laughing at me. They knew what I was trying to do and they wanted me to get it as well, but the success of the team meant more." Sadly for Beattie, he didn’t score that day, whilst Henry and van Nistelrooy both did, with the Dutchman taking the honour. “I still speak to a lot of the lads from that 2003 side," says Beattie, "Jason Dodd, Franny Benali, Matt le Tissier, Ken Monkou, Claus Lundekvam…the way they embraced me as a young, unknown quantity from Blackburn was great. That was something I took on with me when I became an established player and I tried to look after the young lads." Over the last 15 years, Southampton have certainly been blessed with some incredibly talented "young lads" coming up through the club’s highly regarded Academy. The list of graduates rolls off the tongue like a production line of teenage British talent. In May 2013, Andre Villas-Boas described the Southampton Academy as "a great school of development," as per the BBC, and he compared its nurturing approach to that of Barcelona and Sporting Lisbon. So what does James Beattie think is the secret? I think Southampton has always been a family-oriented club and any youngsters who were thought to be really impressive were always shown around the training ground and introduced to the senior players. It was the club saying to them ‘this is where you want to be in a few years’. We always heard whispers about these kids. I remember Gareth Bale being shown around and towards the end of my time it was Theo Walcott, and after I’d left it was Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. We were introduced to Gareth and he was only a baby y’know? They had really high hopes for him even at the age of 14 and he was earmarked for stardom even at that point. Theo started playing for the reserves in the September of 2004 before I left in January 2005, so I trained alongside him occasionally. He went on to score some great goals and was only 16. More recently, they’ve produced Adam Lallana, Luke Shaw, Callum Chambers…the list goes on. Even now, Matty Target, Nathaniel Clyne, James Ward-Prowse has just signed a new five-year deal. Harrison Reid is a player I’ve seen a number of times this year and he’s really impressed me. He might be a small man in size, but certainly not in stature on the pitch. I saw him do one of the best jobs on Ross Barkley when Everton came to St. Marys. You’ve also got a manager in Ronald Koeman who’s not afraid to use these lads. He’s got faith in them and he knows he can give them responsibility and they’ll do a good job. To be fair, all of the managers I played for at Southampton were conscious of the Academy because it was so well-respected. It’s about the people who drive it and lead it like Les Reed, the Technical Director. Beattie is keen to stress that the success of Southampton’s Academy is the result of years of planning. “The strategy was always in place. When I first went there in ’98 the club were trying to buy some land and now the training ground covers a phenomenal area," he said. "They’ve got fantastic new facilities. I went to watch an Under-21 match there a few weeks back. When I was training, we had two pitches and that was it. They must have 12 pitches down there now, immaculate, same dimensions as the pitch at St Mary’s so any player who graduates into the first team has no excuse during home matches. "Nothing is left to chance. The other element is that the catchment area is so good…Hampshire, Sussex, up to Surrey… Wayne Bridge was a Winchester lad and we also had Chris Baird in our FA Cup final team who had come through the Academy. There was always a steady trickle of young players coming through and it was all about the recruitment. The scouts had obviously done a great job because quite a few of the lads were making the step up from the youth setup to the first-team squad. If a young lad had a choice between Chelsea or a club like Southampton, then it began to filter through that the lad was usually choosing Southampton because the overall prospects of making first-team football were better." The days of Beattie playing first-team football have almost certainly now passed. Although he says he’s had playing contracts offered to him, James Beattie now considers himself a football manager and is eager to get another role, having left Accrington Stanley in September last year. In his first season as a manager, Beattie kept Accrington in League Two and attracted the attention of other Football League clubs. I really enjoyed it. It was an opportunity that I couldn’t really pass up. I didn’t really envisage that I’d stop playing as early as I did and I do miss playing. But I’ve reinvented myself as a manager now and am waiting patiently for my next job, going to games and spending time at clubs.