Unbelievable Jeff

Pelle isn't on form, but I think the main problem is that we're not creating any chances for him. We need to play Tadic, as Elia is not a player who is going to split defenders with a pass.

Hmmm, I want to say 'One of those day's' but it's always one of those days now. Need to create more, and shoot more at the correct times. We're not creating anything for Pelle.

God Mane is dangerous.

**** me, gone attacking with Mane on.

This.

If it weren't for bad officiating and a great save from Mignolet we'd have 3...

I have front and back on mine. Doesn't help all the time...

This all got out of hand pretty quickly...

This.

Fairplay.

All fair points, perhaps we should wait for the court cases and not cast aspersions until then. I apologise for jumping the gun.

In the eyes of the press/media I mean...

Now that's racist! Black on white though innit, so doesn't count.

Good lad, sounds like a cracking deal. Much better than a lease deal.

I doubt it, this seems more pre-meditated now.

To be fair, I believed they were abusing everyone. Was it only PSG fans and then a black bloke they pushed off the train then? Genuine question there. You say I've kept bleating on about PSG fans - I don't think I've used either PSG or fans to describe them anywhere.

I think we're going round in circles. For me, this is what has happened. I have tried to break it down further to no avail, so i guess I will just have to leave it at this: Maybe I try to see that there is always good in people, that there is an underlying misunderstanding that drives this kind of behaviour, especially when it's trial by grainy video. The abscence of knowledge of any actual racial abuse and a difference in the way that they were acting between other people and this black guy says to me they're just bullies, and that colour had nothing to do with the fact that they wouldn't let him on the train.

Whoa, where did I use gypsy abuse as any sort of defence? I said I don't go to the correct areas, and it was said as an aside, I said I fully expect that racist abuse happens in London irrelevant of this. Not like you to read things incorrectly though is it? And as you can see from pretty much all my posts, I'm well aware that they were acting like ****s and should be banned for it. Not sure what your point is actually as both the above points are incorrect based on what I've written on this thread.

One of the important points for me is the timeline of the incident. Why did it take until they'd blocked the black guy to start the chant? Rather than chanting it before he tried to get on as a warning. This is what makes me think the chanting could be ironic.

What's racist about that chant? Try chanting "I'm a paedophile. Does that make you a paedophile? If they chanted that in the street, they couldn't be arrested for it, and certainly not for racist chants.

Does that mean if I chant the old Pompey scum song I'm a murderer or that I believe they should die? I think they chanted it in an idiotic, ironic way, and they should be punished for it.

If the media say it's racist, it's racist Turks. And if we disagree it also makes us racist and want to emulate Himmler et al. Luckily my gestapo uniform is back from the dry cleaners so I can go out and push some people off public transport all day tomorrow.

I'm not defending them. I'm just saying I don't think this episode was racially motivated myself. I think the guy could have been white, pink, yellow, male, female, fat, thin, in a wheelchair, whatever, I think they would have not let them on and chanted something at them.

To be fair Pap, I offered a potential situation above where it was said ironically, which you conveniently decided to ignore - again. I've noticed it's become a bit of a habit recently with you...

People aren't saying that it has a place in society?