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'kin ell, your back again talking ****. If you bothered to read back through this thread you'll find both topics discussed. Maybe if you put a bit of effort in before posting you wouldn't come across as a complete idiot. Anything constructive to add yet by the way? No thought not.

Well, it would seem that being in the EU hasn't driven down wages as much as we're led to believe as the reason the Transit factory moved was because of the cheaper labour in Turkey. I also wonder whether the Aston Martin decision was based on an exceptional regional growth fund loan from the UK Government which allowed them to broaden their export markets to places such as China and the Middle East. So, seemingly were able to export to countries outside of the EU even while we're a part of it! Who would have thought!

Well BMW seem to think it is and without wishing to be rude I'm inclined to take more notice of them than to you.

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but I hear that BMW sent an email to their UK employees today explaining the benefits to the company of the UK staying in the EU. That can't be right though can it as I'm sure the Leavers have been telling us that it won't make any difference to the big European car manufacturers if we're in or out.

Well at least Exeter have had the decency to equalise

****ing hell. Why didn't Forster come for that?

First chance to get a ball in the box and the cross was ****.

It might actually help today as we've done nothing but lump long balls up the pitch today so he might actually get onto one.

Yes.. and here it comes.

We're just being muscled out of every challenge. Really need to get a grip of this game quickly but I just can't see it so far.

FFS

Same as the first half so far. We're still hopeless.

My thoughts exactly. No wonder they look like they have more players than us. Half of our team have gone into hiding.

That should help. Might be a bit more creative going forward now.

Can't say they don't deserve to be in front. We've been poor so far.

Finally Dean's realised they're diving

Diving ****s and Dean's falling for it every time.

I'll just leave this here: https://youtu.be/0UZgENcr3Q0

Shame we wouldn't get the benefit of such a wonderful trade agreement with Canada if we left the EU.

Made me chuckle

Yes

When I first watched it on MotD, I thought Forster was at fault too but on watching back, there was a Chelsea player in front of him who I think Forster thought might get a touch. He therefore hesitated for a split second and by then it was too late. Just been over to the Chelsea forum to see if their thoughts on Costas unsportsman like behaviour in chasing the ball down and they seem to have loved it, blaming VvD for going down too easily! Now I remember why I dislike Chelsea and their support so much. Bunch of ****s. If that had happened the other way round, they'd have been up in arms and the incident would undoubtedly have been shown on MotD too.

As the Leavers are keen on press articles, here's one for you that I found in the Guardian: "The economic challenges of Brexit would be overwhelming. The Out campaign’s main economic argument – that Britain’s huge trade deficit is a secret weapon, because the EU would have more to lose than Britain from a breakdown in trade relations – is flatly wrong. Britain would need to negotiate access to the European single market for its service industries, whereas EU manufacturers would automatically enjoy virtually unlimited rights to sell whatever they wanted in Britain under global World Trade Organization rules. Margaret Thatcher was the first to realise that Britain’s specialisation in services – not only finance, but also law, accountancy, media, architecture, pharmaceutical research and so on – makes membership in the EU single market critical. It makes little economic difference to Germany, France, or Italy whether Britain is an EU member or simply in the WTO. Britain would therefore need an EU association agreement, similar to those negotiated with Switzerland or Norway, the only two significant European economies outside the EU. From the EU’s perspective, the terms of any British deal would have to be at least as stringent as those in the existing association agreements. To grant easier terms would immediately force matching concessions to Switzerland and Norway. Worse still, any special favors for Britain would set a precedent and tempt other lukewarm EU members to make exit threats and demand renegotiation. Among the conditions accepted by Norway and Switzerland that the EU would surely regard as non-negotiable are four that completely negate the political objectives of Brexit. Norway and Switzerland must abide by all EU single market standards and regulations, without any say in their formulation. They agree to translate all relevant EU laws into their domestic legislation without consulting domestic voters. They contribute substantially to the EU budget. And they must accept unlimited EU immigration, resulting in a higher share of EU immigrants in the Swiss and Norwegian populations than in the UK. If Britain rejected these encroachments on national sovereignty, its service industries would be locked out of the single market. The French, German, and Irish governments would be particularly delighted to see UK-based banks and hedge funds shackled by EU regulations, and UK-based businesses involved in asset management, insurance, accountancy, law, and media forced to transfer their jobs, head offices, and tax payments to Paris, Frankfurt, or Dublin. When confronted with this exodus of high-value service jobs and businesses, Britain would surely balk and accept the intrusive regulations entailed by Swiss and Norwegian-style EU association agreements. Ultimately, Brexit would not only force a disruptive renegotiation of economic relations; it would also lead to a loss of political sovereignty for Britain. Or maybe just for England, given that Scotland would probably leave the UK and rejoin the EU, taking many of London’s service jobs to Edinburgh in the process. Once Britain’s political, business, and media leaders start drawing attention to these hard facts of life after Brexit, we can be confident that voters will decide to stay in the EU."

Blimey... Another one. Your latter example is indeed a statistic. The first one isn't, it's simply a number. Have a look at the definition of a statistic... actually, I'll save you the trouble: "A*statistic*(singular) is a single measure of some attribute of a*sample*" So, in your latter example, the sample is 6 matches, the number of goals conceded is the attribute. In the first one, there is no sample and therefore, no attribute of a sample, it's simply a number. You're welcome.

Wow! You really do struggle with the basics don't you! "£0 = our net contribution to the EU when we leave." is not a statistic.