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No surprise that UKIP are doing well in P****muff

Bloody hell Piers Morgan and Joey Barton next time! WTF do they know about what's right and wrong?

Yep, the only way to watch QT is while reading twitter at the same time. It's hilarious but there are so many tweets, it's impossible to read them all and watch whats going on at the same time. Just got to be a bit selective.

This is my second LOL of the night. Wise words Lord D.

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Blimey.. I think I agree with you Lord (not about the baldy but about the Lib/Dumb chappy). Hamilton and Mrs H have always been a fairly odious couple IMHO, I'm sure UKIP could have put someone better than him forward.

Can't talk watching the UKIP show, sorry, I mean Question Time.

I was the only one in the polling station at about 7:30pm tonight. Just me and four fairly bored looking volunteers.

Haven't renewed yet but that's only because I haven't been able to renew my daughters online (for some reason) so I'll have to go down to SMS when I have time (which is running out fast!). No hesitation in getting a ST though.

What did they say?

'Unsavoury characters'? ... if they're unsavoury I'd hate to meet someone that might be a unpleasant! Not sure how chairing a committee with the European far right parties will bring down the EU 'in the short term' and if they did manage it, it doesn't bear thinking about ... living in a Europe controlled by the far right, I thought we'd put an end to that 70 years ago!

Doesn't Farage chair a committee of this lot in Europe? If he doesn't agree with their views, I wonder why he hasn't resigned in disgust as chairman or even as a committee member. Might be wrong here of course and if I am, no doubt I'll be put right soon :-)

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Hmm... think I'm going to have to go Labour as they've probably got the best chance of keeping the protest votes in check this time around.

Meltdown... really!

Bit off topic but just to let you know that Jay Rod is on drive time on Talksport this evening.

Well, I'm afraid you're question is rather pointless if your answer is always going to be 'well we would have done that anyway' when quite clearly at least 50% of those in my list wouldn't /couldn't have been achieved outside the EU, but all the same I'm still unsure of those that you disagree with.

PS.. Do you disagree with any of them? If not, what's the problem? It seems to me that the EU have 'forced' very sensible and commendable laws on us and we would be worse off without them.

You tell me, did we have 57% trade with Europe.. I doubt it. No one has said there was no trade. As I said in the other thread, they could have been brought in but they're unlikely to have been. Certainly none of the European cooperation ones of which there are many wouldn't have happened. If you choose to believe that the UK government would have I been so accommodating in such matters then you have greater faith in UK politicians and politics than I do.

Here's the list... Let's see what would have happened without the EU : Providing 57% of our trade - nope Structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline - nope Clean beaches and rivers - unlikely Cleaner air - unlikely Lead free petrol - yes Restrictions on landfill dumping - maybe A recycling culture - maybe Cheaper mobile charges - nope Cheaper air travel - nope Improved consumer protection and food labelling - unlikely A ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives - very unlikely Better product safety - maybe Single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance - nope Break up of monopolies - unlikely Europe-wide patent and copyright protection - nope No paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market - nope Price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the euro zone - nope Freedom to travel, live and work across Europe - nope Funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad - nope Access to European health services - nope Labour protection and enhanced social welfare - depends who got into government Smoke-free workplaces - yes Equal pay legislation - maybe Holiday entitlement - maybe The right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime - unlikely Strongest wildlife protection in the world Improved animal welfare in food production - unlikely EU-funded research and industrial collaboration - nope EU representation in international forums - nope bloc EEA negotiation at the Web - nope EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty - nope European arrest warrant - nope Cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling - maybe Counter terrorism intelligence - maybe European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa - nope Support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond - nope Investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital. - nope EU wide Data Protection legislation to protect our personal data throughout Europe; - nope However all of this is nothing compared with the greatest achievements of the EU which has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed. It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.*- certainly not. So, I make it about two that would have happened, a number of things that are likely or might have happened but plenty of things that we wouldn't /couldn't have benefited from.

Not sure I mentioned anything about millions. Your imagination is working overtime tonight. I think you're confusing me with someone else.

Yep, it all happened but apparently all imaginary to some.

Both had choices. Trousers could have rented a house rather than buy one. The choice isn't between a mortgage or homelessness. Similarly Igsey could have chosen to get a job, earn money, and study in between as many do. Otherwise, he only has to pay the debt back if his education rewards him financially. Choices all round.

I think not. Latest European polls show UKIP around 25‰-30‰ of the vote.

I posted a very handy list of things that might fall into this category on the 'More UKIP bother' thread which might answer your question.