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Apparently according The the Jeremy Vine programme today, her family have applied for legal aid for her. Legal aid has not been granted as yet. Someone did ring into the programme who used to work for the LA and said that criminals of all types got legal aid including the Krays. The problem is that Begum is no longer a UK citizen so this could be a problem for the family. Other countries have stripped their nationals of their citizenship. France and the Netherlands to name a couple. It also appears that in northern Iraq and also northern Syria, where there is no sympathy for these people they are being given 15 minute hearings then determining whether they are executed or imprisoned.

It seems Shamima Begums solicitors have been granted legal aid to fight her case for her citizenship and passport to be returned. What a waste of public funds. I can see trouble ahead regarding this. legal aid is particularly difficult to obtain these days to fight all sorts of cases including those against the disabled and the DWP etc.

We pay 4.50euro to see the Doctor, which I think is a good idea. You pay even if you are on benefits here. We pay 1.20 for an X-ray. You pay a maximum of 44 euro for a CT scan this is on the NHS here. Dental work is 50 euro for a visit. Fillings are 50 euro and root canal 150euros. Drugs are not free, even over the age of 60. Kids pay as well. Personally, I think it’s fair as everyone pays. If you are a patient in hospital all drugs and food etc are free. Operations are free, it’s just the build up. You can of course go private, personally I wouldn’t, it’s not the same as the UK. I feel safer the NHS way here than private. Also, and just for your interest, you have to pay for your kids books, writing and reading books, pens, pencils etc at school. No wastage opposed to the enormous wastage in British schools. The Portuguese NHS system is above the UK in world rankings. I understand the German system is even better.

Or do you mean “sauces”

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It doesn’t matter which side you’re on; obsessively post every tiny development that could be construed as a gain for your side, no matter how unlikely or dodgily-sourced. You’ll be so consumed with your Likes you’ll completely forget what it’s actually about. Doesn’t this apply to all remainers? Or those who wish to Brexit, noone is listening to anyone else. It’s all become graphs and slandering each other.

73 quid a week? That's preposterous! Even people who can't apply for unemployment benefit because they didn't work get a social assistance allowance of € 935 a month (families get € 1336) in the Netherlands. I reckon wages are much higher in the UK compared to the Netherlands because employers and employees don't have to pay a monthly premium for unemployment? In the Netherlands you get an unemployment benefit based on 80% of your last income, after that it's 70% of your last income and dependant of how many years you have worked you can get this benefit for a maximum of three years. After that you can get the social assistance as mentioned above. You wouldn't believe how much fraud there is from Eastern Europe with the social assistance, a couple of years ago Dutch television showed that almost a complete village in Bulgaria was living on Dutch social assistance because it's fairly easy to get. "Free money!" said some teethless peasant with a big smile on his face. "Next year I'll come again to your wonderful country £73 per week is for a single person over the age of 25-65. If there are children supplements are added plus child benefit. Also the UK government will pay all or some of your rent and council tax(a local council fee). There are now caps for the amount that can be claimed inside London and outside of London due to large rents in London. This has pushed people out of London to the counties around and beyond. In the UK a percentage of income is not taken into account. You could therefore be earning large sums in the city one week, made unemployed and if your savings were not high £73 the next if you are single. I see they were protesting in Berlin today at high rents, €600 per month! May I say for a capital city, compared to London this is very cheap. I believe the Dutch are keeping a very close eye on Brexit. Do you think that Donald Tusk has anything to do with the 3-6 month extension? I think the irony of the toothless Bulgarian is lost! As you say with a glint in his eye! To unpolitically correct for the UK as the UK is fond of turning themselves inside out with political correctness.

The comments from Window Cleaner in France and Van Hanegam in the Netherlands show that all is not well. I must admit I was amazed at the size of The Netherlands unemployment benefit compared to the UK’s poultry 73.10 for over 25’s from April 2019. This is still exportable but who would want to export our small amount when you can get higher in The Netherlands and Germany? I would suspect that all the southern and Eastern European countries overwhelmingly voted for 3-6? France, are noted for their protests, it looks like the dwindling numbers of yellow vests may find their voices heard at the ballot box in May. I see on Euro news that Marine Le Pen had much to say. Hungary’s prime minister has become uncontrollable (any Saints in Hungary)? There is life before, during and after Brexit. Hope everyone on here gets a look at Euronews to see another prospective on life after Laura bloody Kuenssberg!

Because of EU regulation they can also 'export' possible unemployment benefits to another European country for three months. In Holland and Germany (I don't know about the UK) many Poles use this regulation to take a break and visit their friends and family. They should be looking for a job in Poland of course but the unemployment benefits in the Netherlands are at least twice as high as the regular income in Poland so they don't bother and return to Western Europe after three months. At this moment it's mainly Poles who misuse this regulation but it's expected that many other Eastern and Southern Europeans will soon follow. Instead of putting an end to this, the three-month period will soon be extended to six months because more European countries want this than there are countries who don't. The Dutch government says it's terrible that taxpayers money is going down the drain like this yet they refuse to say they it's not acceptable to the EU as they can't veto. "We just have to take our loss..." As if they haven't got a clue why more and more people are fed up with the free movement of persons and vote differently in the elections Van Hanegam. I knew the three month rule but had no idea it’s being extended to six. Indeed the poorer countries of the EU residents will migrate to the better off and Germany and The Netherlands are the most generous with benefits and government pensions. Verbal, governments don’t publish numbers in this game and massage figures to suit themselves. They massage the unemployment figures in the UK by taking people off JSA and move them to ESA which is the sickness benefit. This allows them to show unemployment has diminished. Not everything is in black and white. If you work/worked in the game it’s astonishing what goes on. Not many know about polygamous marriage payments. Sorry don’t know the figures. Euronews running the Narbonne yellow vests news again and also problems in Italy with their gypsy population. It “ain’t”pretty out there in amongst Brexit.

How many fruit and veg jobs do you EVER see advertised in the paper / job center plus website? hardly any, you know why? cause labour from the EU is cheaper, a chance to come to the UK earn a decent wage, free housing while here and food, then get a pay check have wages toped up by working tax and family tax while claiming for 11 other family members in the EU that dont even live in the UK. Mosin, I agree with you there. I met a woman who did just that with cleaning jobs, only disclosed what she wanted us to know. Told by her sister to come over etc, etc. Now this was not the only person caught out. It is very difficult to prove, but was proven in the end. Not saying the British didn’t do it and of course there are good and bad everywhere. However, pushing down wages to claim is a favourite and has been since 2005 when WTC and WFTC were introduced. The general way forward was to come over as the advance party, find a bedsit and claim. Once over bring over your child then you are under accommodated and therefore the council would need to be involved to find appropriate accommodation/provide. It’s surprising what goes on at the wrong end of the ladder, I would never have known about this had I not been employed in the sector. It was nothing short of astonishing.

Bexy I can definitely tell you about the fruit and veg picking. Most of the people in the east of England were from Portugal. Portugal has become richer and definitely people are returning. The wage isn’t brilliant over here 604 euros pcm. So people are on the way back. Again only seasonal work, seasonal people required only. Families bought over from poorer EU countries on the basic wage need housing, schooling, hospital and doctors. How do they live, working family tax credits. The farmers need to pay a reasonable wage or maybe instead of the chattering classes sending their kids around the world to work in other countries, get them picking fruit in the UK, I know we did for the summer along with French and Italians back in the 70’s oh and Italy were not members then! Unfortunately, no one wanted to listen to the peasants revolting, those that felt as per Mosin’s post, and still don’t, that is why people voted out.

The DNA evidence was based on just a few cells and because of that it doesn't give a perfect or complete match. It becomes almost worthless when you have other McCanns with similar DNA in the same locations. I may not have understood or explained that very well, but in no way was it a 100% match to Madeline McCann as was leaked to the UK press by the Police, which when published, again swayed public opinion. The failure to really understand this evidence by the police was really poor IMO. They had made their mind up who was guilty and made the evidence fit their conclusion. I don’t doubt what you say and agree. The main problem is that the Portuguese take a dim view of the whole sorry saga.

The DNA evidence was based on just a few cells and because of that it doesn't give a perfect or complete match. It becomes almost worthless when you have other McCanns with similar DNA in the same locations. I may not have understood or explained that very well, but in no way was it a 100% match to Madeline McCann as was leaked to the UK press by the Police, which when published, again swayed public opinion. The failure to really understand this evidence by the police was really poor IMO. They had made their mind up who was guilty and made the evidence fit their conclusion. I don’t doubt what you say and agree. The main problem is that the Portuguese take a dim view of the whole sorry saga.

Mosin’s comment is exactly what I am talking about. The press in the UK are all too quick to pull on polls, they exist for polls and graphs but really? I can go into many sites that back the remain camp and many others who back leave. At the end of the day, you vote for what you believe and what you want. This may be a bit “old fashioned” but our fore fathers fought for us to have a free country and thank God they did. The UK welcome everyone whether that’s right or wrong, the country is very generous in its beliefs etc and that is why so many want to come to such a small country in the world. 60 odd mil in a country the size of NZ with only 4m.

Buctootim LOL obsessed by class. Not you personally, of course, but the UK. As I say, no fit with Europe, no wonder the British have a reputation for being pompous. And now, showing ourselves up to be what we are. In my time, I have met people from across the board. People who lost all their money and fell on very hard times and had to claim benefits. People who were solicitors who started taking drugs and or drink, lost their businesses. Some of these people worked for celebs, rock stars etc or just took to live out all the long hours. There by the grace of God go us all.

You see Buctootim what the hell is the difference between social class abc whatever and CDE or whatever? This is the problem with the UK and why there is not a niche in Europe that quite fits. Class. The UK has a problem with Class. In the UK there was always the upper class, those that are done for etc and the working class who if you have to go to work to live that is exactly as you are. The middle class have introduced themselves but in actual fact they have to go to work to eat so ....... in Europe there is no class structure. I have not come across this whatsoever. I will write again and already know I will get a mouth full on here, however, I will write. The university degree is not worth what it was. In the UK there is a tendency to send young people to Uni as there were no jobs particularly in the 90’s and early 2000’s it was a way of massaging the unemployment figures. Of course, employers have caught on and now there are banded Uni’s into first and second rate. Young people as we were all once, do not have the life skills which you gather as you go along in life. As I say, I fully expect to be shot down in flames. It was the press that immediately decided to poll and show those with degrees who voted in and those who didn’t voted out! In my day you didn’t get to Uni unless you went to Grammar school and were in the top two classes to six for. Then Uni. The middle two classes went on to become plumbers, electricians etc and the bottom two classes were factory workers, hairdressers and chefs. Work that out! BTW I didn’t school in Hampshire, Gloucestershire where the grammar system still exists.

You see Buctootim what the hell is the difference between social class abc whatever and CDE or whatever? This is the problem with the UK and why there is not a niche in Europe that quite fits. Class. The UK has a problem with Class. In the UK there was always the upper class, those that are done for etc and the working class who if you have to go to work to live that is exactly as you are. The middle class have introduced themselves but in actual fact they have to go to work to eat so ....... in Europe there is no class structure. I have not come across this whatsoever. I will write again and already know I will get a mouth full on here, however, I will write. The university degree is not worth what it was. In the UK there is a tendency to send young people to Uni as there were no jobs particularly in the 90’s and early 2000’s it was a way of massaging the unemployment figures. Of course, employers have caught on and now there are banded Uni’s into first and second rate. Young people as we were all once, do not have the life skills which you gather as you go along in life. As I say, I fully expect to be shot down in flames. It was the press that immediately decided to poll and show those with degrees who voted in and those who didn’t voted out! In my day you didn’t get to Uni unless you went to Grammar school and were in the top two classes to six form. Then Uni. The middle two classes went on to become plumbers, electricians etc and the bottom two classes were factory workers, hairdressers and chefs. Work that out! BTW I didn’t school in Hampshire, Gloucestershire where the grammar system still exists.

Brussels Saint I reply to your question, I personally don’t think all the leave voters were elderly and of course it depends on what you define as elderly. In the 70’s I was too young to vote in both polls. Obviously I was old enough to vote this time. Therefore maybe, it depends on your life as to how you voted in your late 50’s early 60’s. I do not define this as old but maybe other people do. I think you are right, there may be another vote in maybe 40 years time if the EU is still going then. I won’t be around then but it would be interesting to see how people would vote then. It’s just genuinely interesting times. It’s an extremely decisive subject in the UK. I don’t know if you watch the UK news but there appears to be little else. Certainly, nothing is covered what is going on in Europe at the moment. The Euronews this morning covered the “yellow vests” in Narbonne and poverty, I had no idea how high water bills were in France over 100 euros one particular woman stated per month! Also the EU in Greece are worried regarding the Far Right with the EU elections. In Hungary meanwhile the EU cannot contain that countries leader who did not mince his words regarding who he was going to accept into his country. Interesting times in all countries not just Brexit Britain.

Too busy with Brexit to show what is going on in Europe and some of it ain’t pretty. Over here, it shows most weekends battle stations in And around Paris. We prefer to watch Euronews which seems to show more going on in Europe than British news which of course is mainly drawn on the UK. And Brexit.

Too busy with Brexit to show what is going on in Europe and some of it ain’t pretty. Over here, it shows most weekends battle stations in And around Paris. We prefer to watch Euronews which seems to show more going on in Europe than British news which of course is mainly drawn on the UK.

I mean let’s be honest here if you want to go on a protest similar to those in the 70s and the latter Poll Tax revolts, burn a flag or two and can’t do that due to EU regs, what on earth is the world coming to. They can’t all be EU regulation as they seem to burn well in France. BTW does anyone know if the water canon has been sold to the French or on standby to keep the peasants down from revolting! Bloody Brexit will finish the UK. Shame on all politicians.

So a by-election imminent? This is all his constituents want inamongst this carve up.

Alderweirelds own goal give Liverpool a win to put Liverpool top. Don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Nor should young people as they are totally clueless about life. And so on and so on and so on.

I thought jihadi John was blown to smithereens by a drone?