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Any proof of that? Or you just spewing bias?

If it matters, perhaps he should leave "The Saints" and sooner rather than later

Can work the other way of course in that he'll get a much larger personal wedge from the buying club; the lower his transfer fee is the more money available for him - Clyne transfer smacks of that? Hence players planning ahead can often let their contracts run down on the basis of interested clubs having previously tapped them and the matter having been talked through in relation to the money involved and thus how it should be handled. That is handled to both parties - the player and buying club's - monetary advantage.

A lot will depend on if he's already been tapped or in the process of being so? If he has, any offer will in all probability be futile though no doubt his agent will possibly drag matters out along the lines of the "he will stay, no he won't he stay, yes he will stay . . . . ." game, as the clock runs down - as indeed per Clyne.

With this curtain . . . . . http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/450784/Louis-van-Gaal-Nathaniel-Clyne-transfer-news

Hi andoru, thanks for the reply. So to go forward we must go back to look at what you originally wrote: Bill Gates wealth just accumulates – he's not really pursuing it, in fact he gives tons of it away. His net worth isn't real money after all, it's just value in stocks, property, personal branding, etc. That can easily disappear – ask Brazil's former richest man Eike Batista, who went from being worth 30b to 200m in one year. Once you start getting into the billions we aren't talking about real zeros on bank balances anymore, but perceived value in whatever the person owns. So on the one hand we have Bill Gates' wealth "just accumulating" while Batista's "just evaporates" can you appreciate the anomaly, indeed the diametric contention of what you are claiming? Of course Gates wealth just doesn't accumulate, it comes via his being an owner of a world business monopoly. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/gates-is-a-ruthless-schemer-says-his-microsoft-cofounder-2257843.html There's lots more of course. When I was growing up there were such things as Nationalised Industries and they were always attacked as being unnecessary, wasteful and not an idealised way of running a business, most especially because they were Monopolies, which were very, very bad indeed. What I was to learn was Monopolies are very, very bad when owned by the people but they are great when owned by individuals. Ergo, Microsoft, is more or less a world monopoly as essentially are weapons, oil, and tobacco [cartels] with the likes of Walmart and the banks gravitating toward a similar concept. I read a report not long ago that up to three quarters of the world resource trade is owned and or "influenced" by Walmart . Now due to rampant greed not long ago the world banking system was in the process of collapsing due as I write to the wanton greed of individuals in terms of obscene bonuses etc etc - so what was the outcome? The overnight outcome was a nationalised banking industry something that previously of course was very, very bad, with the mass i.e. the people then picking up the bill for the collapse. Hence we have entered and endured a "period of austerity" as the politicians like to call it. Of course there was and is no austerity for them, they still sell themselves to the highest bidder [straw and Malcolm Rifkind etc etc etc] - The IMF is a massive controlling influence and so forth in world finance they are responsible for much of what has happened in Greece and the Ukraine and so on and so on, as they too take on the auspices of a world controlling monopoly. The technology is and continues to become available to create world monopolies which is and will place control in fewer and fewer hands, this is happening as we speak, if allowed unabated the result will almost certainly be to the detriment of mankind in terms of the majority. For example we, humankind, have never been "richer" in our whole history, YET the rich and poor disparity has never been greater, over one billion children exist in deprivation and every 3.5 seconds a person dies of starvation, while something like 260 million children exist in sexual and labour slavery. Most politicians for example are control freaks it's why they enter politics in the first instance, the laws they create they believe they run immune to, such laws apply to the mass but not to them. We only have to refer to any given moment in time to understand the same. Now for the determining factor, politics are now more or less controlled by the conglomerates - "what is good for general Motors is good for America" Irwin a quote now contested in terms of "true" content but essentially holding truth hence it took off globally - they are all jolly bedfellows together and control of the world's debt, thereby the world's finance and control of the world's resources is the aim. A very famous British Politician once said, "give the working class their football, tobacco and beer and forget them as a political force" and essential that remains true also, though no doubt we can add soaps and internet porn now to the list. Apologies for the length and also for going somewhat off topic, though it does bear great relevance to what is happening in football too, which is where we came in so to speak as the top prizes virtue of big business' big bucks and their control gravitate to fewer and fewer teams. Dare we mention FIFA? Ignorance does seem very blissful after all does it not?

I shay steady on there sotonist old chap, what do you mean "have I descended" ? The implication therein is that there could be some doubt about it and here is the caveat, when I look about I perceive that so is most of humankind; are we to infer you are suggesting you are not a member of the DID fray? If you are, weI strongly recommend you gain membership on the basis of "if yer can't beat us, join us" .

You are undoubtedly a beautiful person and I love you already. Ignorance is indeed bliss. Let us go forth in peace.

If so you're easily impressed by my spelling of 'cue' wait until I surreptitiously slip in words such as, corrugated-iron, marmalade and antidisestablishmentarianism . . . . . .you're gonna be knocked-out. So "Tinfoil hattery" is one facetious way of describing the truth of the matter we suppose - ergo what is written is written and is there to be seen. However, I'm NOT saying money is King for a footballer per se, what I'm writing is - money is KING - full stop. And the LOVE of it - might need a little dethroning to get society back on kilter. Are you impressed by super, super, super rich Gatesy's agenda for his New World Order? Do let us know . . . . . . . .

Point missed? Possibly. I was responding of course to VK's sense of "unbelief" that rich footballers would hardly be likely to want even more money. Get that? The key words perhaps being EVEN MORE. In attempting to deal with that premise I have highlighted that even the super, super, rich who have enough money for thousands of lifetimes rarely if ever pull the plug and still want more and more and in the process the "Devil can take hindmost" which is the way of the world. Now has for Gatesy stuffing it under his fat mattress [Cue Noel Redding] he has a more important agenda http://www.naturalnews.com/036756_depopulation_agenda_eugenics_survivor.html

In all probability No. Football history itself tells us as much. Unfortunately "selling clubs" or "plundered clubs" if you like win little to nowt and eventually succumb to going down. Which club has broken the most transfers [purchasing] in the history of the game? Real Madrid. Which is the most successful, esteemed and glamorous club in the world? Real Madrid. Therein lies the Gospel.

Apologies for the "stereo affect" in terns the above double post tried deleting the repetition but it won't allow it for some reason . . . . . .

There is an old saying "much always wants more" - you're a good person or at the very least not a greedy one, however, for many among us the more they get, the more they want. Bill Gates and his mates have what some 400 billion between them? And of course they never slow up . . . . . .I only single 'him' out as one prime example, there an are so many others. It is estimated the "top" 200 or so richest people in the world have more money, assets, own more land etc etc then the "bottom" two and a half billion. That's why of course the likes of Maxwell, a billionaire, still stole and plundered the Mirror pension fund. Hence such rampant hegemonic greed explains the total mess that surrounds us on a global level, constant deprivation, starvation and UNTOLD suffering. And so to return to your point that's why even super rich footballers, like so many others, will follow the larger and larger salaries; no matter how much they already posses. One of the rationales for Beckham's departure from Real Madrid rumoured at the time was that on the strength of his "shirt sales" [rather apt we suppose] he wanted to 'renegotiate' his contract to £700,000 per week. "True" education is fundamental to such wanton greed but don't hold your breath. "Much always wants more" then, which brings us to the NEW idiomatic war cry to endorse and sustain this outlandish, wilful and thus painful inequality, "greed is good".

There is an old saying "much always wants more" - you're a good person or at the very least not a greedy one, however, for many among us the more they get, the more they want. Bill Gates and his mates have what some 400 billion between them? And of course they never slow up . . . . . .I only single 'him' out as one prime example, there an are so many others. It is estimated the "top" 200 or so richest people in the world have more money, assets, own more land etc etc then the "bottom" two and a half billion. That's why of course the likes of Maxwell, a billionaire, still stole and plundered the Mirror pension fund. Hence such rampant hegemonic greed explains the total mess that surrounds us on a global level, constant deprivation, starvation and UNTOLD suffering. And so to return to your point that's why even super rich footballers, like so many others, will follow the larger and larger salaries; no matter how much they already posses. One of the rationales for Beckham's departure from Real Madrid rumoured at the time was that on the strength of his "shirt sales" [rather apt we suppose] he wanted to 'renegotiate' his contract to £700,000 per week. "True" education is fundamental to such wanton greed but don't hold your breath. "Much always wants more" then, which brings us to the NEW idiomatic war cry to endorse and sustain this outlandish, wilful and thus painful inequality, "greed is good".

Yes I agree, an excellent and thoughtful response. However, just to clarify matters I was being a tad facetious in my last couple of sentences thereby including the part you highlighted. The main issue for me was the "seriously hating Scousers" part of the post. Probably svetipung doesn't really mean it but on reflection it does serve to spotlight the fact that we fans in the final analysis have to face the fact we don't really count in the general run of things - this side of boycotting matches, not buying merchandise inclusive of Sky etc. en masse that is. Big business has hijacked the game we love because of its all pervading global appeal and that being the case oligarchs some of whom know very little if anything about the game now basically own it, indeed it has become their very own plaything and Clubs such as the Saints now exist to basically groom their future stars, which season on season they now come along and cherry pick dispensing their millions on the plate. As a parallel to this I now read the Saints could be a reported £57 mill in debt? IF true, where have the oligarch's millions gone? Big business plays its big business games? It would possibly appear that way.

Don't. Scousers in the end have little to do with it - it's a bunch of rich Americans with somewhat minimal input from an Irishman. The Americans knowing next to nothing about football have probably decided that purchasing "Saints" is the holiest and therefore best and safest way to go. I mean that's probably as good a theory as any, don't ya think?

Rather delightful! But whom do you want to win when they play each other?

Very good Nick! Bearsy's a good lad so hopefully he won't get too err grizzly with me!

Just to develop this further just for fun of course Bearsy . . . . . Mk Dons 4 Man U 0 . . . . . Liverpool lad is manager of Mk Dons, Karl Robinson, and the youngest manager in all the Leagues also the youngest man EVER to gain a UEFA Pro Licence. Last night he was aided and abetted by another Scouser Darren Potter, seems like Scousers are raised on footy and Man U's most acclaimed player and their captain of course is you guessed it! Another Scouser. Something about Scousers and Soccer.

:D:D It seems to have made your day taking an opportunity in disparaging Liverpool [or thinking you may have] a city in your own country why could this be? Unless I'm mistaken your glee seems palpable if I'm wrong in that assimilation forgive me, in the meantime do Keep up the bad boy work. So if you googled it then, it mus be true! Can I make an observation since I like you, you seem so typical of the modern era so football started in 1992 did it? One lives and learns. Did you google anything else by any chance you wish to entertain us with? Don't be shy now you big cuddly thing you!

Why would I take any cues from Mr Hall? For instance I do not play pool, snooker or billiards and if that comment was in anyway utilising stereotyping of us poor Scousers in regards to stealing then I am at pains to point you in the direction of the top of this Forum - ergo the Libel "sticky. Anyway Shurlock me old mate I have "it" on very good authority Stuart Hall isn't Scouse. Indeed that info came straight from the CPS [Creeps Prevention Society] who acknowledge on this occasion, as with a certain infamous DJ [and others] they dramatically failed BUT are now attempting to make up for lost time. How absurd does the government and the BBC appear in all this - one must ask must one not? So that aside then are we Scousers famous for our sense of the absurd? I hope so but I have to admit it's becomes somewhat embarrassing coming from a "culture" that is famous for so much. It could, if one was so disposed lead to one believing one is from a special place. For example did you know that Liverpool has produced more professional footballers than any City in Europe? I read that not long ago. Five at one time made the last England . . . . team irrespective of any further stereotypical comments that's 5 out of 11 players in a country of some what 60 million - speaks volumes for itself we suppose. Something else just occurred to me as I write - it must be an advantage in having a sense of the absurd given the world is an absurd, extremely stupid place must it not? [i refer you to Palestine as one example among millions] That being the case we probably see and understand things those not SO blessed do not and this is where we cane in . . . . . I would at this juncture point you back in the direction of my post for a re-read which by implication you claim is absurd. When the truth possibly is you may, unlike we Scousers, simply not have the capacity for understanding it. But despair ye not! I'll stick around to educate you further be it footy or the arts and sciences.

It is right to be hopefully and more importantly remain hopeful. However, the fact that the Saints lost against a Liverpool team way below their best must give some pause for thought? Last season you won in similar circumstances, could that result be a barometer or is it just a platform for useless speculation - well time will tell us all.

"Holy transfers Batman!" Exclaimed the Boy Wonder to the caped crusader, "that's the whole point!"

Yes I agree and of course that in effect brings us full circle it's [instinctive] creativity that unlocks [dour] defence structures, all games [virtue of the human psyche] falls into patterns and or as is often termed rhythms. The mind seeks the familiar and tunes into the "expected" and that "anticipated" and it's that sudden twist, that switch, that defence splitting pass that run [Lovren was good at this] no one else anticipated, the moment of magic mostly unexpected, unanticipated, therefore they work . . . . . that is required in such games as Saturdays and finding that elusive commodity will IMHO be the real Key to the Saints holding their own or struggling this season. [As the great man once said virtually all games are won or lost in midfield]