sadoldgit

So if you prefer Cedric why not put him in your team, it appears that you have frozen him out too with no idea why?

As you say, they have made things worse, a lot worse. They may not be the root causes of the problem but they are certainly helping the recruitment drive for radicals. The root causes as you say existed a very long time ago when the world was a very, very different place. Things move on. Many religions have mellowed since then. When people feel that they are under threat they will inevitably become defensive (ie the Israelis) and attitudes polarise. Clearly the vast majority of Muslims want to live in peace and harmony with the rest of the world but we play into the hands of the factions who see The West as an evil to be irradicated. Before I get jumped on by the usual suspects this is not about apportioning blame, it is about being smarter about how we handle the situation going forward. And no, I am not talking about sitting down and having a cup of tea, I am talking about finding a way of co-existing on the planet that doesn't entail constant warring and destruction.

stick

jimmy

F U N E X?

Yes it should tell you that you are 99% wrong on the other issues.

Hmmmm interesting comparison. I think you will find that a lot more people agree with me than you would like to think.

Top post!!

trunk

bush

The Two Ronnies were brilliant comics and helped by some great script writers. The fork handles sketch was genius and brilliantly played out. I remember both Ronnies and John Cleese in the Frost Report back in the 60s which was also really good stuff. RIP Ronnie

Yeah, bastards aren't they!

That can be remedied Whelk!

dive

Do you accept that IS don't seem to have a problem killing Muslims as well as others?

Who would have thought it. Hypo and me agreeing on something?

Depends what your definition of backlash is. It would appear that you expect them all to come out publically maybe? You have ignored the evidence that their has been a response. You have ignored quite reasonable opinions that actually the atrocities have nothing to do with "normal" Muslims and that they have nothing to apologise for. Fair enough, That is your opinion. I think you are wrong. We will have to agree to disagree.

This is the point isn't it? What are people supposed to do? It has nothing to do with them. They have no responsibility for the actions of a minority of nutters. We shouldn't forget that Muslims are also victims in some of the indiscriminate killing that goes on. About 60 were killed in 9/11 alone.

Blimey, if I had a quid for every time that a thread went off topic I'd be minted!

Fry and I have quite a long history, I will leave it at that. I made a comment about Hopkins but my point was more to do with the Muslim backlash and it wasn't me that made a huge deal about it. I was just responding to other comments. Hypo brings it up every now and again as it seems to amuse him. As As for the backlash, I have seen plenty of condemnation from the moderates but I suppose it depends on what you consider what is enough? What has it got to do with the blokes in the curry house for example? Do they need to fly the tricolour or the Belgium flag in solidarity? I know I am being glib but it hasn't got anything to do with the majority of Muslims so why should they feel the need to apologise or distance themselves from a bunch of nutters? As I said, there was a Muslim peace march in London a while back that was given very little media coverage. There may be a lot more going on that we don't hear about, it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Oh, and there are ways of disagreeing with people that don't have to be personal or unpleasant.

I can and have, it is just that neither of them seem to bother to respond to clearly islamophobic comments and this presented a golden opportunity to do so.

I have seen plenty of condemnation including a peace march by Muslims in London not long after the Paris atrocities, not that it was given much coverage in the news. It is there if you care to look for it, unless you are Katie Hopkins of course.

C B Fry or hypo, would you like to comment?

What is bizarre is the way that you try and twist something in order to try and make yourself look superior. I have never claimed that the activities of the terrorists were not evil. I also am aware that they are not the only people who carry, or have carried out atrocities over time, something that seems to be a problem for you. Still, you defended a poll in The Sun that was spun in a way to show moderate Muslims in a bad light so I guess that says it all. I suppose The West is completely blameless for the current situation and the Gulf War and the desire for oil has nothing do with where we are now? Still, you and your apprentice have an odd set of priorities. I'd rather be laughed at that be an Internet troll.

Katie Hopkins made some comments a while back that she thought that not enough Muslims were coming out and condemning the atrocities. I made a comment about it on here to the effect of how many is enough because clearly there is a backlash from the moderate Muslims, but clearly not from enough of them to satisfy her. Unfortunately it then became more important to debate whether she was a Christian or not - which still seems to be bothering one of our number more than the bile that she spouts.