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First batch of points from Hypo no 10. I ask the leading question "So you believe that all Muslims are gun toting suicide bombers?" Griffo replies "No, but a hell of a lot of them hold views similar. How can they not when it is written in their book?" Shame you missed out the context Hypo.

Name all of these posters please. Given the number of people who have viewed this thread I would say that you guys are in a small minority.

Hypo responses part two. Your post timed 01.52 #0 1. Hyperbole 2. The stats had been presented in a way that was pejorative towards Mulsims. The poll was actually positive towards Muslims but that is not the way it was presented. 3.It might be amusing to you. The only evidence you have seems to stem from your apparent complete ignorance of how discussions often work. 4.The Sun used a poll to show Muslims in a bad light. The results were posted here. The reference to kill all Muslims came from an earlier use of hyberbole. 5. Erm. Yep. 6. Not doing very well so far pal. 7. See above. 8. It would if I could be bothered to go back and find it. 9. Fine, if that is what you think. 10. I didn't say it was you. I said it was either you are Soured Mash. 11. Not unable. I couldn't be bothered to humour you. Big difference. 12. See above. 13. See above. You can assume all you like but I am afraid that assumptions do not count as evidence. So then, I know I am not very good at the internet malarkey but so far I would say that you haven't managed to show my ignorance of religious matters or that I constantly make things up.

Thanks for the pointer. I will go back and check the posts that I haven't responded to yet. It might be clear to you Hypo but then you are a special kind of guy

This is for Hypo, I suggest the rest of you ignore it unless you aren't easily bored. Hypos post at 01.08 #0 1. I didn't say anyone said that did I? I was using hyperbole. 2.When I suggested the peace would come about through negotiations I was told that it would never happen with IS. I stand by what I said. If all you do is kill all you get is death. Not sure how that fits in with making things up? 3.In an earlier exchange you were saying that the only way to deal with these terrorists (IS in particular) was to kill them as they would never negotiate. It seems a reasonable attempt to paraphrase what I thought you were saying. Dod you come back at the time and say that want what you were saying? 4.I took what you said from our earlier discussion that the only option we had was to fight them. Did I get that wrong? 5. Look at what I said before your highlighted segment. "What is the alternative?" I then go on to pose a possible response. 6.What was I being ridiculed for then because my position has been pretty much that from the begging of this thread? 7. It may have been pointless but I said I would do my best. What here have I been making up exactly? 8.And thousands of people have suggested negotiations and or sanctions. In what way am I making anything up here? 9. I don't understand your point. What have I made up exactly? Hadnt we established tat both religions have had their share of abhorrent behaviour over the years? 10. I cant be bothered to scroll all the way back to find this post but I am sure they would have responded if they felt the need. Hyperbole. 11. Clutching at straws again. The giveaway here is "you cant tell me." It is a device often used in discussions to help move things on. 12. Give me the post number and I shall respond as I cant recall the context. Thanks. 13. Again, probably hyperbole but if you give the post number I can give you a better response. 14. I guess when I answer the ones above it will cover this one? 15. What have I made up here? I am "suggesting" the problem is terrorists and not religions per se. 16.Post number please? 17. Stating the obvious is often used in discussions and I am sure you have done it yourself in order to make a point? What have I made up here? 18.Batman not able to respond for himself? I asked him a question. He could always reply no. Again it is a technique used in discussions in order to try and determine someone's position. 19. What have I made up here exactly?

Yes I do have the time thanks. We seem to both have a lot of time on our hands don't we? The question isn't so much do I have the time but more can I be ars*d. As you have gone to so much trouble the least I can do is respond so I will in the hope that it will get you off my back once and for all It could take a while but there are several where you seem never to have had a chat in a pub about issues of the day so I might, for the sake of brevity, refer to previous answers. Just so we are clear you are accusing me of making things up (or lying) and having no sense of religious affairs? You will excuse me if I don't go back to the source of every example as although I have time I don't have that much time. It would have been easier if the quotes had there reference numbers but I will do the best I can for you. Oh and I might use the word hyperbole so if you don't understand its use now might be a good time to acquaint yourself with the word and its use in a discussion.

If I were you Lets B, I would sue the charm school. I assume you are the same Lets B who appears on Sotonians? You have the same delightful way about you.

I was just asking a question that might help you in your response, which I am still waiting for by the way. And while we are at it can you please provide me with evidence of all the things that I have made up to support my arguments? Many thanks.

So why have you bothered to paste and copy so many links to wrongdoing by a minority of migrants? They have been daily recently.

Really? In what way exactly? Is it because I don't think that all Muslims are terrorists or that all asylum seekers/migrants are potential rapists/troublemakers?

I have travelled a lot including many Islamic countries thanks. If you are so well grounded Batman then why are you so fixated with a small minority of people who are intent on causing trouble?

"If they don't like it they can always go back to the place they left." ???

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3362161/Pictured-Two-women-hunted-police-punching-kicking-Muslim-hijab-violent-Islamophobic-attack-London-bus.html This one is from you favourite paper Batman.

Oh hi Batman, got time to read this forum then? I thought you would be too busy finding more stories about asylum seekers and migrants doing bad things and pasting them here. I know the Daily Mail is a favourite of yours but was not in the least bit surprised when you failed to copy and paste their report of the problems that some asylum seekers had with wristbands. Why was that? Didn't see it or didn't it fit with your agenda?

You can believe what you want Hypo but the news is out there if you care to bother to look. They might not have realised that the bands would single out asylum seekers but it would appear that was the case and fair play to the company for changing the system when they realised it was a problem. As you said earlier, it is the ***ts who single these people out who are the main problem, but it shouldn't be made easy for them. If I were an asylum seeker and getting told to eff off back to my own country or having eggs and dog sh*t thrown at my home I certainly wouldnt want anything to single me out as a target.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-25/lifesaver-watched-asylum-seekers-drown-off-greece/7111706

I don't know for sure but I expect that they are grateful. I doubt if they are grateful for being told to go back to their own country if they don't care to be abused. And there was me thinking that you were called "Whitey" due to the colour of your hair.

http://www.nltimes.nl/2016/01/25/advocates-protect-child-asylum-seekers-from-abuse-human-trafficking/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6873677/Asylum-seekers-abused-at-home-after-councils-brand-migrants-with-red-doors.html

Is that next to the wristband that shows that you post asinine comments on an internet forum?

We all know that Batman has issue with "Johnny Foreigners" Hypo but I had you pegged one or two further up the foodchain. Many of these people have risked their lives to get away and left everything they own behind to escape persecution. There have been plenty of reports of asylum seekers being abused and attacked (although Batman sees it as his loyal duty to only copy and paste links to migrants who break the law) and it cant be a bundle of fun leaving one country where you are persecuted only to be abused in another. If an asylum seekers tells me that they are having problems with abuse and don't want to be singled out for whatever reason, I would rather listen to them than a couple of people on an internet forum who seem to have a problem with asylum seekers. Try putting yourself in their shoes for a minute.

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Like Batman you seem unable to make the mental leap between being identified as a concert goer or a football fan and being identified as an asylum seeker. In your example many football fans wear the team shirt so that might be a bit of a give away. Do asylum seekers wear shirts that say ASYLUM SEEKER?

Forget "guilt." Think about how asylum seekers are targeted for abuse and how making it very easy to identify them isn't really very helpful. If you were in another country with your family in the same circumstances would you rather try and blend in and not be an obvious target for the morons who pick on these people or would you like it highlighted to all and sundry?

Ok I will type this very slowly for you so that you understand ok? There is a big difference in wearing a wrist band to get into Glastonbury and to have to wear one to get food that identifies you as an asylum seeker and leaves you open to abuse. Do people going into Glastonbury get abused? Do you really not see a difference? If you cant see the difference and if you don't understand the comments from those who objected to the bands and the fact that the company stopped using them, then you really are not very bright.