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Come on now Whelk, are you really happy with the inference that somehow rapes carried out by some who may (or may not be) Muslims are somehow more of a problem than rapes carried out by others? The pattern that you are looking for is that more non Muslims than Muslims commit rapes.

Not sure what you point is? The vast majority of rapists currently serving time in prison are not Muslim. Is that your point?

Well given that we are 7th I don't see that is a huge problem. Something is obviously working.

This from the Ministry of Justice dated June 2014. "As of 31 March 2014, the latest point in time for which data is available for public use, the male prison population in England and Wales for all offenders serving immediate custodial sentences for rape was 5,682. Of this, there were 676 offenders who self-declared their religion as Muslim (12% of the total).

You said Asian men, earlier you were accusing Muslim men?

I am not sure why you are getting worked up about a religion when it is very clear that men of many races and religions carry out sexual abuse. It is all abhorrent isn't it? Or is it less so if carried out by Christians? Were the likes if Jimmy Savile and Adam Johnson muslims?

No you are absolutely right, we have not benefitted from Muslim immigrants at all whereas we have benefitted plenty from all of the millions of other immigrants who have come here! Ok, if it shuts you up - Tipu Zahed Aziz, Professor of Neurosurgery at John Radcliffe Hospital - Rozina Ali, microvascular reconstructive plastic surgeon - Hasnat Khan, heart and lung surgeon - Asif Chaudry, surgical oncologist with an interest in gastrointestinal cancer - Abu Easa Niamatullah, qualified pharmasist and anthropologist member of the World Economic Forum initiative. I could go on if I had more time but to be honest its a bit like "What Did The Romans Ever Do For Us." I didn't say that there were no religious bigots in Turkey, just that I didn't come across any in my travels. You must be finding it very difficult to find somewhere to live in this country where there is no input from Muslims.

So why don't we call those nicked under Operation Yew Tree Christian Rape Gangs?

Although you say that practicing Christians don't create death camps there were plenty who worked in who were "only obeying orders," There we also plenty of practicing Jews who worked with the Nazis in the camps.

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There is an article in the Independent that you need to read. I will post it when I find it. As for "muslim rape gangs - it is my understanding that the people that carried out the sexual assaults in Cologne were drunk. It is also my understanding that practicing muslims do not drink. Also I am having trouble finding out the numbers charged with rape. There was a high profile case of one rape that was later discredited as the person made it up. Anyway, read the article, it might help you get things into perspective. Here it is http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cologne-sex-assaults-muslim-rape-myths-fit-a-neo-nazi-agenda-a6872566.html And you will note that they talk about "refugees" not "muslims."

I am sorry Sour Mash, you seem so entrenched in your hatred of Muslims that you don't seem able or prepared to accept that actually most of them are decent people and those who are British along with those who come here from abroad help to enrich our society. You asked earlier if I had a problem living with a mosque on every corner etc. I have spent three very happy holidays in SW Turkey and I can tell you now that I would quite happily retire there. The people were incredibly friendly and couldn't do enough for me and my family. It was a pleasant change to be in a place without religious bigots. We were welcomed into mosques and couldn't have been made more welcome. Oh and we spent some time seeing how they made their famous carpets - you know, the carpets that many people in the West like to buy and use in their homes. Just one small thing that muslims have provided us with to enrich our lives. I bet even you could come up with other things if you really tried!

Oh dear. I didn't write anything idiotic. I posted an argument about Islam and Racism and asked if you hade read it as you seem to think they are separate issue. You clearly didn't understand what I was talking about because you completely ignored the article and went off on one about, I assume, reading the thread. Not my fault. Read it yet?

Let me help you out here - immigration has been going on since time began and if you read any history you will see quite clearly the benefits that migration has had for virtually everywhere in the world. There was a very interesting programme about the Vikings the other night and how important their migration was to the rest of the world. I cant be arsed to talk about one set in isolation because the UK has benefitted from so many migrants over the years...Celts, Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Romans, Normans, Eastern Europeans, Africans, Asians etc. To say that Muslims (in all their racial incarnations) have not benefitted the countries into which they have moved is nonsense. Once again, you are confusing a small percentage of nutters with well over 1 billion peaceful people.

It isn't my fault you couldn't understand what I was talking about. I get a lot of barbed responses from you because you seem to have issues. Read the argument yet?

Let me get this right, you really don't think that we have benefitted from Muslim immigrants, or any other migrants come to that?

Yes I do realise. I also realise that it is a Hate Crime in this country if you slag off someone because of their RACE and or RELIGION. Yes I do think Islamic culture is a good thing. Not just for Western Europe. You need to divorce Islamic culture from the nutters who use Islam to excuse their barbaric behaviour.

Ok so help me out here. Is it okay to hate a religion but not ok to hate a race? Or are they both as bad as each other?

Muslim rape gangs? Surely you mean rape gangs?

I waas talking about the article I posted re racism and Islam. You are very touchy aren't you.

Did you read the argument? Religionist, Islamophobic, Racist, whatever you want to call it - I think we all know what we are talking about here don't we?

https://muslimreverie.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/debunking-the-islam-is-not-a-race-argument/

1. If you bother to look up the term racist you will see that it can be used as a term for those who are phobic about religious groups too. Either way, you are clearly Islamophobic so I don't see why you are getting so upset about a word. 2. Really don't care. I chose to live where I feel most comfortable and that doesn't include worrying about what the "predominant culture" in the area is.