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And that is what it is all about. How we fair over a whole season and not in a batch of games. If our loses had been spread across the season instead of the last few games (which included talking the mighty Arsenal apart) would the bed wetters be out in such force? You say the only reason that we are not in the relegation zone is because of the points picked up early on. Isnt that the same for all mid table clubs including Everton who have been held up as a model of how to do things properly?

No but I saw him against United and he looked pretty good.

Given that a small group of senior pros apparently met up for a pint after the Norwich match perhaps there is something in this? of course it could all be 2+2 = 5 but something is clearly not clicking at the moment. What would you do if you were Ron though? Both players would have been key to his plans at the start of the season and at their best are streets ahead of their team mates in their respective positions. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Ron did say that he picked up Mane about his lack of effort in training the other day. Perhaps he has had words with Wanyama too? Perhaps not. Koeman has dropped Mane before for ill discipline so I don't think he is a soft touch. You have to wonder too why Ralph was wheeled out for a motivational speech the other day. Was it because the run of poor recent results or was it part of a plan to rebuild team spirit? Now we also have Guan's post to mull over too. Never a dull moment being a Saints fan

Agree with what has been said. If he is no better than Caulker or Yoshida then we should sell him on. At this point he has to be a better option on the bench than those two.

You seem to be fixated with managers and what they can do. Koeman proved last year that he can manage in the Premiership. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that it was going to be harder for us this season. We are not a terrible team and with a but more luck could have come away from the last 3 games with 9 points. We are certainly a lot better than Villa Newcastle and Sunderland. What would their fans give to be 13th at the moment? Is it Koeman's fault that Mane behaves like a ***t? Is it down to Koeman that Wanyama makes that stupid lunge? At some point you have to start pointing the finger at players rather than the manager who can only do so much. You say you would bring in Howe, if Bournemouth hadn't have had a decent run recently you realise that his name would be in the frame for the sack? Koeman is clearly a decent manager whether you like him or not. He needs to be supported not hounded out of his job. 13th in the Premiership is not the worse place to be but the way you go on you would think we were bottom. And what did Guan confirm? That he would be escorted out rather than quit? What does that tell us? That he has no plans to leave? That he is about to be sacked? Another of Guan's riddles.

Well if he does go and takes Pelle with him you will be a happy bunny. By the way, we are 13th in the Premiership currently and only a few points away from your favourites Everton. Should they be looking to get rid of their manager too?

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Personally I am not putting the rubber sheets on the bed until we are in a relegation fight, which we are not at the moment. Having said that things could change in the next couple of weeks if we don't start scoring regularly.

There are ways of doing that other than booing players at matches.

I am with you. It does nothing for morale or the team. We should be getting behind the club right now and that includes all on the pitch. Having said that I wouldn't have a problem dropping both of them until they are prepared to give 100% for the club and get a couple of decent loans in to cover.

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Nail on head.

He doesn't like losing. Who does? he is also probably very hacked off with Mane's behaviour and Wanyama's stupid tackles.

Everton have got just 2 more points than we have. Do you think that they are worried about relegation right now?

As to opposed to unsettled players of other nationalities?

No Juanmi on the bench today. Injured?

What parts of the dressing room has he lost? Is it his fault that Mane is a tw*t or if Vic's head is elsewhere (if that is indeed the case)?

And why was that? The same happened the previous season and we finished 7th. There is no point in wetting yourself until there is good reason, not just because you think something might happen.

Many were worried before we had kicked a ball this season. We showed what we can do against Chelsea and Arsenal so we know what the team is capable of but it is time to dig deep and get this poor run of form sorted out. To state the obvious we need to start converting chances into goals and if that means buying another decent striker this month then get on with it.

I understand that managers often like to put a player on late in the game in order to slow the game down and waste some time, but what is the point of putting on a player with a couple of minutes on the clock if you are chasing the game? No matter what you think of Ramirez he is hardly likely to make an impact in five minutes. I am not one of the Koeman Out brigade but I wish Ron would give subs a proper chance to make a difference on the pitch.

The last thing you need when things are like this is a lack of discipline. Wanyama and Mane both need a good dressing down for their respective lack of discipline today. ***ts the pair of them.

I am serious. You think that the club is run by a bunch of clowns so perhaps you ought to spend some time elsewhere to get some kind of perspective. By the way, go look at Steven Davis's article. He seems to think that the club is well run even if you don't.

Do you really think that CL level players will not actually move to CL level clubs eventually? Tell you what. Go off and support Everton or Stoke or whichever club you currently have a thing for and see what it is like supporting them for a few seasons. Then report back and tell us all how you got on.

The trouble is though that most clubs are looking for bargains. And how do you know if you have bought a successful bargain at the time? Many players you pick up on the cheap don't make it.

For contributing very little you can read learning and improving your craft. We talk about giving academy players more Premiership game time. Unless you are unusually gifted it takes most players a while to reach their full potential and to do that you need time on the pitch in the 1st team.