sadoldgit

Indeed. But we are run like a second rate seaside B&B dontcha know? (This is another joke Roger )

I was joking Roger.

Handled by whom? If you mean by his agent I agree with you. If you mean by the club then how so? They have clearly said they are not selling, what else are the supposed to do?

Take it as you wish, it wasn't meant as one. By the way Alpine said this move wasn't going to happen and we all know that he is always spot on, so don't hold your breath

Roger, you and Alpine have the attention span of a goldfish.

Indeed. once they approach the last year of their contracts, bye bye.

oxide

I am sure that the club realise that the fans want to see ambition and us "going for it." Cortese certainly peddled that fantasy and I think most of us realised that a fantasy was all it was at the level we were pitching it. Without the billions behind the super club we were never and are never going to be in that league. So the best we can aspire to is being The Best Of The Rest. Decent cups runs, playing attractive football and challenging for minor European football. This along with the majority of the other Premiership clubs. Most posters will remember the relegation years and the climb back up. I think I speak for all when I say we don't want that to happen again! The people who manage this club have made it clear that there is no free ride and the they have ambitions for the club but within a sustainable model - hence no huge wage bills and no massive bids. Again I think most of the level headed people on here get that and accept that we will lose some players and some of the replacements will not always be of the same quality - black box or no. Where it all goes wrong though comes down to those who seem completely unable to grasp reality. They seem desparate to believe the worst about the club (I am sure you can remember some of the shameful comments about KL last summer, the Wreck It Ralph comments etc. This goes back years, even before Rupert Lowe ( a true pantomime villain if ever there was one). The people who live in this parallel universe, and they are known here as Bed Wetters, seems to vanish like frost under the sun when things are going well, as they we a few games into last season. The minute we lose, sell a player, are linked with selling a player, buy a player who is cheap etc. out they come dragging their soiled sheets behind them preaching doom and gloom and the end of the world. Recently we have seen people butchered on their summer holidays and incinerated whilst watching an air show. These things are tragedies and things to get upset about. Football pails into insignificance when measured against such matters but you wouldn't know that by reading the Bed Wetters posts. Their world falls into complete disarray the moment something happens in the club that doesn't form a part of their world view. And boy, don't they let us know it. Facts go out of the window and negative assumptions are rife. Club history that doesn't fit in with their negative mindset is airbrushed from the past. Despite the fact that most things happen because of the input of more than one person and a complicated set of circumstances, scapegoats are found and prodded with pitchforks forever onwards. Even when people prove themselves as Les Reed did last year, they are not safe. Already the pitchforks are being readied and will be aimed in his direction the minute the transfer window closes if the Gods of the Angry Mob are not sated with a sacrificial signing that meets the Mobs exacting requirements. What makes sport so fascinating is that there are no givens. At any one time David can beat Goliath. Unfashionable clubs can become fashionable. So called big clubs can fail (imagine how Leeds fans must feel who were around in the 1970s). This means that there is a reasonable chance that things are not always going to go well. Most people on here can rationalise that. Some find it impossible to and come on here to vent their frustrations. That is understandable. What I find it difficult to comprehend is how these people find it virtually impossible to deal with their emotional turmoil without completely losing sight of a rational thought process. The amount of utter tripe that gets peddled as "fact" is mind boggling. Very few, if any of us, really knows what is going on beind the scenes but if The Daily Mail prints a story that says Vic wants to leave and is desperately unhappy here some with the negative mindset will instantly believe that and jump all over the management of the club making out that somehow this is their fault. Once again, we read that a previous CEO took a fortune out of this club with a shread of supporting evidence or any sign of that individual being pulled up for embezzlement. Lets not let the facts get in the way of a good hanging. These things get repeated often enough to become "written in stone" and in turn get trotted out on a regular basis when the Mob awaken from their stupor (which is brought on by a period of stability and good results - the daylight to their vampyric tendencies). There are many good debates to be had about how the club is run past and present but they rarely happen because there are some who can only see black and white and simply cannot accept that there are many shades of grey in between. Those are the people who cause a meltdown the minute that the club doesn't live up to their lofty expectations and who see losing (be it a match or a player in the transfer market) as something that shakes their whole world view. As the psychologist said in an episode of Fawlty Towers, there is enough material here for a whole conference!

I don't think we would have a problem selling him if we wanted to. I don't believe that we want to.

Chamberpot

Think about what you are saying. If he plays tomorrow but didn't play Wednesday what does that mean? If he doesn't play he could still be ill so that backs up what happened on Thursday. It wont reveal anything.

What part of he refused a new contract and decided to go where he would get more game time don't you get?

lord

I used to think that one of these days you would grow up and we could have a serious debate about this. Clearly it isn't going to happen. You seem totally incapable of grasping the concept of dealing with a situation without applying the Alpine Knee Jerk reactive response and prose. Messiah? Really? You need to grow up. When you have some spare time when you are not howling at the moon, please feel free to explain how I am using the current strife to push my Lowe agenda. To my (perhaps deluded) mind I was simply responding to a post that peddled the same old tired clichés without backing them up with any evidence. Something you do on a daily basis I should add.

Far too sensible!

£16m for Chambers! I can't think of many teams who wouldn't have gone for that

Still a little ray of sunshine I see. You are going to look very silly next week.

I could well be wrong but didn't we finish runners up in the old Div 1 with a blue away kit?

Do you know that for sure? Other clubs were linked with him last year too. Perhaps Celtic were not prepared to sell him last year?

Loyalty points have got nothing to do with it. I just hate it when people make up rubbish in support of their own agenda. I don't recall Lowe ever owning the club therefore why should he put his own money in? Took the club into administration? Wasn't that the banks doing? Picked loads of crap managers? Some yes but plenty of good ones too - no mention of that though so that was well balanced. Taking money out of the club? Embezzlement? Never saw any evidence of that. If he took what he was entitled too what is the problem? I am sure people running football clubs get far less than the players they employ. As for Lowe keeping is appointments - how many managers have we had since he left the club? No one is beyond criticism, but if people are going to criticise, use facts not things that they wish were true. We also stayed in the top flight of English football on crowds of 15k - no mean feat. The current owners also seem to think that running the club his way is the way to do things (ie self sustaining model) so perhaps he wasn't totally wrong? The people he worked with at the FA said he was a visionary. Again, perhaps we wasn't total crap. Plenty of clubs of ours size get into difficulties so again, to say that it was all about Lowe is complete nonsense. Of course he made mistakes. You show me a CEO/Chairman who hasn't. The wrecking of the club as you put it didn't totally happen when he was he. Plenty of well intentioned people had a hand in that when he left the first time but that get airbrushed out of history for people like you with a blinkered agenda. You really need to get a balanced view. I think you will find that very little in life is as black and white as you need it to be.

Christ you really do not get it do you? We did not f-ck anything up. Toby decided to go to Spuds full stop. When are you going to stop rewriting history to suit your own sad agenda? You really ought to go and support another club.

Utter tosh. Strachan, Jones, Souness, Hoddle were not bad managers. And where do you get that he made a fortune out of the club?

We signed decent players last year without European football. The Premiership is still a big draw.

It is easy to support a team that is winning. The true test is the support when a team is struggling - and that is when they need the support the most.

I am with you on this. I didn't really expect us to go through after last week and the number of players we had out. We clearly don't have a lot of strength in depth but we do have a lot of players out and hopefully a CH to come in. I am sure things will improve once the likes of Bertrand and Clasie are fit but it still only August and to write us off now is very premature. There is still a lot of football to be played and we have played no where near our best yet.