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Quality finish against Palace.

So through the "luck" of not killing anyone by drink driving someone would only get a 5 match ban?

Remove Ched’s faithful girlfriend Natasha from the pose and this ‘personal and profound’ statement to camera looks suspiciously like a job interview. Ched plays it straight to camera, sitting static and passport-photo straight with an unswerving and virtually unblinking eye gaze as he rattles off what sounds like a script. His voice is a light monotone and apart from some breathlessness to suggest pressure, there are no obvious symptoms of stress or emotion as he speaks. If he’s been strung out emotionally he chooses not to show it here. Tony Spencer Rapist Fooballer Ched Evans In Wilmslow With Girlfriend Natasha Massey Out and about: Ched Evans and girlfriend Natasha Massey in Wilmslow Even phrases like ‘I have hurt the woman I love with all my heart' lack any sign of visual or tonal endorsement, and overall the delivery is a bit of a recitation. Ched goes for it cold, using emotional terms and words but unemotional body language. The only gestural change comes when he uses the phrase ‘consensual in nature not rape’ and this is in the form of a micro-gesture as one eyebrow flicks up and then down again in emphasis. He says he made an ‘incredibly foolish decision’ and that low-key definition of what happened pretty much fits his unemotional delivery. It’s the last part of the speech that he finally slows on, as a sliver of emotion enters his tone, and that’s the bit where he makes his bid to play football again, making this look emphatically like a plea to get back on the pitch. The way Ched and his girlfriend sit as a couple is fascinating and is important for their relationship. Donald Hale Ched Evans Happier times: Natasha Massey and Ched Evans While he slumps staring blankly straight to camera she is partly turned with one hand on his arm. This one touch gives her the look of a protective mum who is supporting her boy as he makes an apology to the headmaster. Her actively protective touch puts her in charge in this pose as well as re-booting some lost power in the relationship. It is also quite 'leading' in terms of hinting how we should now be judging Ched. The subliminal message is that if she has forgiven him then so should we. His slumped, more passive posture and robotic delivery adds to this effect. However, her inability to make any eye contact, either with Ched or the camera, suggests she might still be struggling with mixed emotions, or even in some form of denial. Natasha looks down for most of Ched’s recitation although you can almost feel her holding her breath when he talks about ‘cheating on my partner Natasha’. We show our thoughts via our eyes more than any other part of the body and by using a cut-off, ie keeping her eyes hidden, Natasha shows an apparent desire to hide her true feelings. She nearly looks at Ched when he uses the word ‘infidelity’ and the phrase ‘I hurt the woman I love with all my heart’ suggests an ego-stroke and apology for her benefit alone.

Went to see a Pink Floyd tribute band last night - Off The Wall. Excellent, catch them if you can.

I would play Shearer and Lineker up front before Rooney in an all time great England X1. Probably Greaves too although I never saw him play for England but he was a quality finisher. Rooney has done well to get where he is but has failed to live up to his early promise at International level IMO.

We are in for an interesting campaign if the politicos keep dropping b*ll*cks like this!

Just watched his after dinner speaking vid on YouTube. Much of the same material as from the ToL clips. Brilliant delivery.

I agree that it has gone too far the other way, but people know what to expect now but still get tripped up by social media. You'd think by now politicians and people in the public eye would be a bit more savvy.

Genius!!!

The Guardian and Observer deliver a very affluent audience, 85% of whom are ABC1, and they are more than twice as likely to be of AB social grade. Our print reader’s average household income is £59,764, that’s 53% higher than the average GB family income. Guardian and Observer readers are also a well educated audience; 57% have a degree or doctorate qualification. No mention of knitting yoghurt or wearing sandals Batman.

Not one for a stereotype are you Batman!

I am not getting upset. I am just fed up with the way you conduct yourself on here. But then that is what you do, you try and wind people up. But you win, this is the second thread I am bailing out of because of you and your patronising comments.

Isnt that the point though? It is my own view (and I am not the only one by the way). No, thank God I don't have any experience of trench warfare, but I used to live near the Imperial War Museum as a kid and spent a lot of time there. I also did Modern History at A level and read many books about WW1 and its horrors. That is why I feel it shouldn't be used to sell Christmas groceries, but again, that is just my opinion. It may be "laughable" to some people but it is a view shared by many.

Then why get your knickers in such a twist? Is it just so you can feel better about yourself? No I haven't written any letters to any of the above. All I have done is express and opinion on an internet forum about a Christmas ad and have contributed to the online debate. Have I lost sleep over the ad? No. Do I want it banned? No. Do I think it is distasteful? Yes. I supposed you will also sneer at the cinema full of people who sat through the ad when it was launched only to say as one "FFS" when the Sainsbury logo appeared at the end? A lot of us have clearly got it wrong but it is good to know that there is always someone trolling away waiting to redress the balance.

There wont be any Tories left soon, they will all defect to UKIP!

It is not the first time that C B Fry has infected a thread and ruined it. I wonder if he has dashed off a patronising letter of mock outrage to the authors of the articles reproduced earlier from The Guardian and The Independent who also had the temerity to say that they also found the ad to be in poor taste?

As soon as I saw the picture I knew what it meant. The timing wasn't brilliant either.

You really are a deeply unpleasant person.

Is it just "left wing types" now though. I know all types of people who are now careful about being PC. Although she didn't say anything there was an inference in the picture about "white van man" and nationalism. She knew what she had done and that is why she resigned.

Once you again you managed to ignore the point in order to take a cheap shot.

What bothers me about the Matthew Parris comment is that there must be other "middle class" missing children that we no longer hear about surely?

The father of a seven year-old boy who has been missing for 11 years has claimed that the parents of Madeleine McCann have received “favouritism” over the campaign to find their daughter. Norfolk Police launched an extensive hunt for Daniel Entwistle, of Great Yarmouth, who failed to return to his home on May 4 2003, four years to the day before the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal. Daniel was captured on a local shop’s CCTV and his bike was found near a local quay, leading to a river bed search. But he remains missing 11 years on and the case faded from the headlines. David Entwistle, Daniel’s father, questioned the resources and media attention which the McCann case still receives, seven years after her unresolved disappearance. “I’ve got 110% respect for Madeleine. I hope she does get found but I can’t understand why they’re in the paper every couple of days,” Mr Entwistle told Channel 5 documentary, Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession, which airs Tuesday night. He added: “Feels like to me it’s favouritism because they’re up there and they’re always…they’re campaigning, they’re getting money here, there and left right and centre.” The Madeleine McCann case Contributors to the programme claimed that the disparity was because the McCanns were a “middle-class family” who were able to successfully “market” their family tragedy. Judy Bachrach, Contributing Editor at Vanity Fair who covered the case and interviewed the McCanns, said: “Gerry McCann (father) made it his business to, as he put it me in an interview with me, ‘Market his child.’ He called it the ‘Marketing of Madeleine McCann’ and this, of course, was the act of a very desperate father. I cannot tell you that it worked perfectly, it worked very imperfectly but it worked.” Ms Bachrach added: “They were told by child abduction experts ‘If you cry on television…the kidnapper might get off on that.’ Horrible though that sounds, so she (Kate, mother) had to keep a stoic face on television. She couldn’t weep, she couldn’t look distraught and so she looked kind of like a robot.” Matthew Parris, the Times columnist, told the programme: “Middle class people are better at arousing interest and at keeping attention focused. Sometimes they have the levers at their disposal that working class people don’t.” Journalist Martin Bright said: “If you’re a missing person, you shouldn’t be a boy, black or working class. I find it very worrying that journalists and editors go down the route of being particularly selective about the missing children that they focus on.” Kate and Gerry McCann: Madeleine McCann was abducted in Portugal in May 2007. The press treatment of her parents, particularly by the Daily Star and Express newspapers, is heavily criticised. Leveson states: “If ever there was an example of a story which ran totally out of control, this is one.” The press appetite for news of Madeleine is described as “insatiable” with the search for the truth “the first principle to be sacrificed”. A number of titles were described as being “guilty of gross libels” with “gross inaccuracy” in reporting criticised as “bluntly outrageous”. The parents became “a news item, a commodity, almost a piece of public property”. And because the McCanns had tried to engage with the media, the press behaved as though “they had waived their right to privacy.” Kate and Gerry McCann speak about their missing daughter Madeleine Martin Frizell, GMTV editor at the time of the Entwistle and McCann cases, who narrated the documentary, admitted: “ The police investigation continued (into Daniel Entwistle) but after a few days and with no donations and no PR campaign, there was nothing new to report so we, and the rest of the media, quietly stopped covering it. It’s the nature of news that other stories were developing at the time. Eleven years on, Daniel’s still missing.” Michael Cole, PR advisor to Mohamed Al Fayed, said of the negative media coverage that McCanns subsequently received: “The monstering of the McCanns by the British media is one of the most shameful episodes of the British free press. It should not have happened. Perhaps it was the heat of the Algarve sun or the fact that they were a long way from Fleet Street, though a collective madness seemed to afflict the whole of the British Press corp.” In 2008, the McCanns accepted £550,000 libel damages and front-page apologies from Express Newspapers over false allegations that they were responsible for Madeleine’s death. Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession airs tonight at 7pm on Channel 5 This from the Independent the day the programme aired.

Trying to find stuff that is balanced is difficult. Much of the stuff I have read online is either firmly pro or against the McCanns. There is also a lot of stuff that is taken out of context - again from both camps. It is hard to see how this will ever be resolved unless they find a body.

If Evans was a plumber or an insurance broker I wonder if people would have an issue with him returning to his job. Clearly he will be on the sex offenders register and returning as a teacher would be a no go so there are some things he couldn't go back to. Footballers are in the public eye and no matter what we think about them, are seen as role models for the youngsters who wear their names on the back of their shirts. I spoke to a guy who runs a moral philosophy workshop in our local pub about the issue and he is struggling with it too. As things stand though there is no question of his guilt in the eyes of the law.

The actress playing the lead said it wasn't meant to be a parallel (she would wouldn't she) and that it goes off in a different direction. Some parts are clearly different but others very similar (the rich benefactor - the red herring with the would be peado etc). Good programme though and does keep you guessing. Halo - I think you are right about people's perceptions about the McCanns. I'll give the book a read.