sadoldgit

Do you think that the KKK are pro Trump/MAGA? If so, would you be “concerned.”

I think you will find that a great many people do, given his background. And yes, I do too. Why? He ticks all the boxes ( read above)

Fine, but then the discussion breaks down because you don’t have the same reference points. When I talk about the mainstream media I am not talking about the front page of the Daily Mail. I am talking about vey well regarded journalists. They aren’t all rubbish.

My point is that I use exactly the same labels that the general media uses for people with certain views and ideologies. If you wish to call those views “right” that is your definition. Others would call those views “far right.” We can spend all day throwing definitions around. It is simpler to talk about people with those views, but then you need to know who those people and what their views are.

If you are going to engage in discussion about the growth of “far right” views in this country you really need to. Otherwise you end up like The Kraken and call people “fuckwits” when they are just using definitions that are widely used in the mainstream media.

Again, using AI which has reviewed 9 different sources, this is how it defines the current use of “far right.” In UK politics, “far right” is a political label used by journalists, academics and campaign groups, not an official category, and it is often contested by those it is applied to. It is generally used for politicians linked to hardline anti‑immigration, nationalist or anti‑Islam positions and to parties described as part of the far‑right spectrum.[bylinetimes +2] How the label is used Commentators tend to apply “far right” when a politician or party is seen as going beyond mainstream conservative positions into ethnic nationalism, cultural supremacism or conspiracy‑style rhetoric about migrants and “elites”. Anti‑fascist and anti‑racist organisations also use the term in reports to describe figures they view as connected to extremist movements or street activism, which then feeds into media language.[wikipedia +2] Reform UK and Nigel Farage Nigel Farage, long associated first with UKIP and then with Reform UK, is now frequently described in European and UK commentary as a leading figure of the “far right” in Britain, especially because of his hardline migration stance and nationalist rhetoric. A major anti‑fascist group has recently described Reform UK under Farage as the biggest far‑right political threat in Britain, illustrating how campaigners place him and parts of his party on the far‑right spectrum, even though he rejects that label himself.[lemonde +2]

Further definitions of what we understand “far right” to mean from other “fuckwits” In the UK, “far right” is a contested political label and is usually applied to certain ideologies, parties, and activists rather than being a neutral description. It combines both specific extremist movements and, more loosely, some hard‑line anti‑immigration or nationalist figures in the public eye.[wikipedia +1] What “far right” usually means In UK public debate, “far right” typically refers to politics that combine ethnic or cultural nationalism, strong anti‑immigration stances, hostility to Islam or multiculturalism, and conspiracy‑style narratives about “elites” or demographic “replacement”. Some parts of this spectrum also include white supremacist, neo‑Nazi or overtly anti‑democratic ideas, which are treated by authorities as extremist or terror‑linked.[institute +2] Prominent parties and movements Commentators and researchers often class groups such as the British National Party (BNP), Britain First, For Britain, Generation Identity England, Patriotic Alternative and related networks as part of the far right in the UK context. Some of these groups have been sanctioned, banned from social‑media platforms or even proscribed under terrorism legislation because of incitement to hatred or support for political violence.[wikipedia +3] Individual activists in the public eye Individual street agitators and organisers associated with anti‑Muslim marches, hard‑line nationalist rallies or violent rhetoric are often labelled “far right” in mainstream coverage. High‑profile examples have included figures connected to groups like the English Defence League or Britain First, as well as organisers and influencers linked to recent anti‑migrant and anti‑Muslim protests.[bbc +2] How media and campaigns use the term Mainstream political leaders, anti‑racist groups and a range of celebrities have recently talked about a “rise of the far right”, often in connection with the growth of parties like Reform UK and street mobilisations led by nationalist agitators. At the same time, some commentators criticise “far right” as being used too loosely in media debate, arguing that it can sometimes blur distinctions between extremist groups and more conventional right‑wing or populist parties.[youtube +2] Public perception and controversy Public perception is shaped by news reporting on hate crimes, riots and extremist plots that trace back to far‑right networks or propaganda. Because “far right” is a political label, people on the receiving end often reject it and describe themselves instead as “patriots”, “anti‑establishment” or defenders of free speech, which keeps the debate about who is “far right” highly contested.[thecritic +2]

Then you have to define “right.” Does it include Islamophobia, homophobia, racism etc? I know people who vote Tory and describe their views as right of centre but don’t subscribe to the above. Would you say that Robinson’s view are “right” for example?

He shares the views of the people who are being criticised so he is using the playbook deflection line because those views are becoming harder to defend. Don’t look here, look over there. Trump does it daily.

Given that I use “far right” in the same way that politically commentators do to describe people with those agendas, why do you say that I don’t understand what it means? If I am wrong about people like Robinson, Hopkins etc. how would you describe their views? Slightly right of centre? I have given a general definition of what “far right” is and the people whose views tick those boxes are generally labelled as such. If I am a “fuckwit” then so are a great many political commentators.

Font changed for being woke.🙄 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkez3367xmo.amp

The “Radical Left” have neither been in power nor in opposition in this country in my lifetime. They are not likely to take over the current Labour Party and there is unlikely to be a party made up of “Radical Lefties” that will be challenging for power here any time soon. Pro Palestinian marches and marches in support of action against climate change and human rights attract all kinds of people. Some of them could be described as “Radical Lefties.” The far right pose a greater threat to this country. They have already managed to separate us from the EU and are currently busy making sure that their agenda is on the front pages most days. They are already bringing their agendas into local councils. When the “Radical Left” pose such a threat to the government of this country, be sure to let me know.

Poor response to Donald in Parliament. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/11/asked-about-the-donalds-national-security-strategy-the-commons-was-remarkable-for-its-absences

Would you care to define “radical left?” You think that your list makes a dent in what right wing politics have done to this country n the last 14 years? You and nutty nic do make a bizarre double act. As for terrible haircuts. I don’t think that any can be worse than Hitler’s or Trump’s haircuts. Oh, and Boris Johnson’s!

Of course he is and you would think he would be supportive of Jewish refugees given his posting history. As for an obsession with names. No obsession. I just find it interesting that someone representing Reform doesn’t choose to use their first given name. Too Muslimy for their target voters perhaps?

Did he say why, or wasn’t that important? I suppose they should be thankful that they didn’t just blow it out of the water.

Radical left? What have they done that compares to what Trump is doing in the US and what Farage has done to us with Brexit and what he is threatening to do if he becomes PM? He seem happy to turn a blind eye to what the far right and Republican Dictator are doing whilst pretending that the “radical left” pose anything like a threat. And before you include Putin in your definition of “radical left” the bloke is an nationalistic Oligarch. Come on, tell us what the “radical left” have done that equals 14 years of austerity, the criminal mismanagement of the pandemic, Brexit and Liz Truss’s budget.

I have a flu jab every year. Not had flu for years but don’t know if that is down to the jab or not. There are some nasty bugs around so would rather avoid them if I can.

I wonder why Zia Yusuf, full name Muhammad Ziauddin Yusuf, whose parents his party would not let into this country, doesn’t use his first name? I thought he was proud of his heritage.

You have free speech in the USA if you support Trump. Ask awkward questions or show any kind of criticism towards the orange man baby and you are quickly shut down. In his second term Trump is turning America into an Oligarchy.

They might not all be racist, but if they vote for a racist party they are racist enablers.

Trump questions Ukrainian democracy yet is seemingly fine with Russian “democracy”? How are the people in the land taken by the Russians expected to vote? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/dec/09/zelenskyy-ready-for-elections-after-trump-questions-ukrainian-democracy Every time he opens his mouth or posts on his propaganda machine he exposes to the world whose side his is on. Under his Presidency neither Europe or NATO can rely on the USA.

As said earlier, we have players who play at speed and are required to track back as well. They are clearly knackered in the second half and the subs do not play the same role. This is exactly the same squad of players (plus one) who ended up just above the relegation zone so we shouldn’t be surprised if we aren’t brilliant for 90 plus minutes in every game. We are finally getting the best out of the squad but the negatives remain. Still a lot of work to do but we are now mostly winning matches rather than drawing or losing them so that can only be a plus.

That is the main point. 6 wins from 7. If anyone had suggested he would have so many points on the board in his first 7 games they would have been laughed off the forum. It hasn’t always been pretty but he has got us scoring goals and winning games. Got to be happy with that.

We aren’t going to win them all. There seemed to be a lot of hoofing it long (Plan B?) second half and it just kept coming back at us. We played controlling football in the first half but just seem to sit back and defend. Maybe being 3 up makes us think the game is won at half time? Fair play to West Brom though. They pulled themselves together, put in a great effort and will be gutted they didn’t come away with a point.