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Were those involved ant the airport armed with any weapons?

If you want unicorns and rainbows you are on the wrong thread (and probably on the wrong forum).

At least one person has died, many in hospital including children. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/29/southport-major-incident-stabbing-police/

A number of children stabbed… https://news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbing-latest-number-of-casualties-after-reports-of-stabbing-13186819

The point, which you seem consistently intent on ignoring, is that Trump will make things immeasurably worse. Yes, there are problem areas around the world, but the last thing we need is a total moron in the White House too. He would make things worse for the Ukraine, worse for Europe, worse for the Middle East and worse for America. Apart from that, all’s good. Also, for someone who doesn’t get the fascination with the American Presidential election, you spend a lot of time here defending Donald Trump 🤔

No Suella https://news.sky.com/story/amp/suella-braverman-will-not-run-in-tory-leadership-race-13186430 But Badenoch is standing.

Occasionally.

Have you noticed that I am not the one who has been posting about it? I thought not.

Anything that gets the Express and Lee Anderson “furious” has got to be worthwhile. Note Anderson’s comments. In a few years time this country will be unrecognisable. Full of tapas bars and bull fighting rings no doubt. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1928926/furious-brexiteers-keir-starmer/amp

Given the effect the election will have on many areas of the rest of the world, not least Ukraine and NATO, the “frenzied” interest is not in the least weird. In fact it would be weird not to be concerned by someone like Trump being in charge of the most powerful nation on the planet.

It makes you wonder how many of the hostages are still alive. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/25/world/middleeast/israel-hostages-bodies-gaza.html

If you fire a gun at someone at point blank range, is that ok so long as they don’t die?

Nic, you are really in no position to accuse anyone else of nutty behaviour.

I don’t disagree. It is a very difficult job and it is easy to be judgemental in the comfort of your sitting room when you are not directly involved. Yes, he will pay a high price for his actions, but can you imagine what could have happened if the guy died? What could have happened if he had a machine gun rather than a taser and lost control? Why anyone would want to be a copper in this day and age God only knows, but our police operate with our consent and we need to have confidence that our police do not sink to the levels of some of those they have to confront. The point here is that the guy was incapacitated and the officer seems to respond out of pure revenge. Understandable in the circumstances of the injuries sustained by the WPC perhaps, but officers are not judge and jury. Their job is to apprehend suspects and bring them to justice, not administer it themselves.

Which is my point. If there is no agreed and defined settlement, it will just go on indefinitely, even if the hostilities stop and the defensive lines stay in place for years. Ukraine’s main problem is the support from the West. If that is reduced and Zelensky’s ability to hold Putin where he is is diminished, he might be tempted to offer up terms in a damage limitation exercise. Who knows? There is a point where realism and pragmatism has to kick in. So much depends on who becomes the next POTUS. As for Putin, his actions are solid gold Orwell. Keep the country at a perpetual state of war with overly imagined threats from others at you keep control of your power and the people. Has there been a time in Putin’s reign where Russian troops have not been active anywhere in the world?

Are you currently sporting a bright red MAGA baseball cap Batman? Go on, you can tell me. I won’t tell anyone else. Promise.

Because it is part of their training. You shouldn’t be letting police officers (often armed) onto the streets if they can’t be trusted to control themselves in extreme situations.

A serving officer phoned LBC the other day to explain that they are trained to use minimum force to the head or neck due to risk of serious injury. He thought it was a case of the “red mist” coming down in the officer but didn’t defend his actions. The guy was incapacitated prone on the ground (with his mother leaning over him at the time). There is no excuse for the officer’s actions. Fair play to Andy Burnham in trying to diffuse the situation at the time. That is what we need from our elected officials rather than the inflammatory rhetoric of rent a gob Lee Anderson, who seems to delight in throwing out red meat to his moronic followers at every opportunity.

Further unhelpful escalation in an already fraught situation. https://news.sky.com/story/amp/israel-says-it-has-struck-hezbollah-targets-deep-inside-lebanon-13186094 Netanyahu’s hypocrisy over the death of innocent children comes as no surprise.

Patel the latest to join the race (architect of the disastrous Rwanda plan). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-tory-leadership-farage-b2586851.html Still no sign of Braverman. Perhaps she is struggling to find ten members to support her bid?

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Nice thought. What Whelk fails to grasp, and I appreciate that he may well be being obtuse, is that, even if a side is forced to the negotiating table, talks still need to be held and conditions of a ceasefire/surrender agreed. In WW1 we had the Versailles Treaty (not a great treaty as it sowed the seeds of WW2) and the Paris Peace Treaties formally ended WW2 with the signing in 1947. Wars don’t just stop. There are all kinds of terms and conditions that need to be put into place with plenty of diplomatic activity between both sides. If Trump becomes POTUS I’m sure he will put pressure on Zelensky to come to terms with Putin, cede land and probably give up on the idea of NATO membership. If he stops military aid to Ukraine, or threatens to, they might not be given much choice but to give Putin much of what he wants in order to bring an end to hostilities.

Come on then Whelk. You are such an huge expert on everything. Perhaps you would like to explain to us how the Russian/Ukraine war will end if not at the negotiating table.

Why would I be desperate to hold peace talks with Hitler? You do come out with some very odd stuff. Incidentally, if you are interested in Dresden I suggest you read Firestorm: The Bombing of Dresden 1945. Duckie and hypo should read it too, they like a good chuckle at the bombing of civilians. (We can add Weston to the Chuckle Bros now too).

And you are a miserable, old curmudgeon who spends his days looking for people to abuse online. So where does that leave us?