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We shall seen then. Personally I don't understand why there is this hatred towards someone who did a reasonable job for us, but I guess every fan base has people who just have to hate someone for whatever reason.

In the early days Trotman was seen as flawed but okay at this level. From what I have seen of this divison this year I would say the standard is very high and certainly too high for Trotman.

I wouldn't say that a number of cyber jockeys on a small website constituated a consensus amongst all Saints/football fans.

Tell me, how many managers get sacked (and in your terms are therfore "duds") each season and how many end up managing again in the Premiership or CCC? He failed with Scotland, so what? Where else has he actually "failed" (in real terms)? He did a lot better for us than a number of managers and I wish him well in his next job. Why wouldn't you? It is a shame that we can't treat people who did a reasonable job for us with a bit of respect.

Sadly this thread, or threads like them, will never be over whilst certain posters continue to peddle their vendetta against him (and others from a certain "era"). Nice balanced post by the way. It is a shame more people can't see the grey and only deal in black and white.

And Sunderland fans think Lawrie McMenemy is cr*p. And Coventry fas think that Gordon Strachan is cr*p. So what? He might not be the best manager in the world but if we are talking about SFC then he must be in the 2nd tier of managers behind McMenemy and Bates but alongside Strachan and Hoddle for his results alone. I can see how those who are still deeply embittered about Lowe and Woodward dislike him because they appointed him but if you stand back and look at the actual facts, what did he really do that was that terrible? So he spent £6m and didn't get us up. We weren't far off. Redknapp spent £6m and took us down. keane spent £8m and look where Ipswich are. God knows how much Chelsea have spent on trying to win the Champions League, how many have they won exactly? So one full season and cerainly one of the best teams in the divison. Not so bad. Many will say we "scrapped" into the play offs but we were only 1 point behind the two teams above us and beat the team above us 6-0 at there place. The next season we have problems at Board level. Jones, Bale and Baid, all now playing for Premiership clubs, are sold, and Hone makes his statement saying effectively we are no longer interested in pushing for promotion....and somehow that is Burley's fault? I am not saying nor have I ever said, that he has been our best manager (although statswise so far he IS). But to clall him "rubbish" or a "car wreck" is stupid beyond words.

Well obvioulsy the people who employ him must think something of him? I am sure Hearts fans and Ipswich fans think he was good. And it is just me that thinks that a manager who can put 1.63 points on the board over a season is not "rubbish" so I can live with that because Redknapp, JP Wotte and Pearson were unable to win that many points. But hen they weren't "rubbish" were they? There can't be many clubs who let a manager (who had £6m to spend too remember) who took us down off the hook but slate another for taking us into the play offs? I suppose it all depends on your interpretaion of "rubbish." By the way, if Burley is such an alchy how come this hasn't come to light as one of the reasons that Scotland failed? Duncan, haven't you been feeding the media your tidbits???

Okay lets examine the facts shall we rather than your petty vendetta. Car crash? Hardly at Ipwish were he took them up and then into Europe. Hardly at Hearts where he broke the stranglehold of Celtic and Rangers when he was there. In his only full season for us he finished with a league record of 21 wins and 12 draws out of 46 games or 1.63 points a game. We were the second highest scorers after Sunderland. So in your book that is a "car crash" and makes him a rubbish manager? He may not be the best manager ever but the stats prove that he was not "rubbish." Of course in your book someone who manages 3 wins in 13 is some kind of hero so I appreciate that you are never go to see how ridiculous your statements are, but then you were shown up as a complete idiot yesterday when berating Pardew fof his substitution and saying he was playing for a draw we immediately went 2-1 up! I can see where you were coming from though, why score if you are playing for a draw? I'd love to see your posts if you supported Manchester United of Chelsea. I bert you would be suicidal at the moment. All those wins and all that success? Oh my God. Train wrecks. As for cherry picking facts, I love the way you dismiss his stats as having been cherry picked. I assume we are debating whether he was a rubbish manager for SFC or not? The "cherry picked" facts show that he was he most successful in terms of points on the board and wins. If I wanted to cheery pick I suppose I could point out that he didn't hve players of the caibre of Channon, Ball and Osgood at his disposal as LM did in the old 2nd divison, or point out that although he is supposed to have guaranteed us promotion after spending £6m when a so called better manager spent £8m and is fighting relegation, but, het, lets not let facts get in the way of a good vendetta eh? I hope that you are enjoying life in the 3rd division, personally I preferred it when we were fighting for promotion under that "rubbish" manager you so despise. As for Pearson and his achievements at Leicester, lets see if he can get them into the Premieship and Europe straight away before we compare shall we? And as for the Scotland job, I find it interested as such famous Jocks as Strachan and Souness wouldn't touch the job with a barge poll right now. I wonder why that is?

I bet Davis is so pleased he stayed. Player of the year last year and lauded as a hero for sticking with us, now he is being crucified again. How many games have we lost in the last 10? How many were down to him? Sadly there are many fans here who are only happy when they have someone to slate. Pardew out LOL

Yep, to the top of the table if you do it every week!

Yeah, becaue we are as bad as Tranmere and the like. The play offs was not going to be an option after the way we started but we should easliy be midtable come the end of the season. Not that that will stop the wrist slitters wanting Pardew sacked. Funny though, Pearson did worse yet some here hold him in higher esteem...go figure.

Over the last 10 games we have been one of the best teams in this divison, but they can only see the negatives.

We are not going to win every game. Our recent form has ben very good if you take the Brighton game out of the equation, but that wont stop Alpine and his negative chums from wanting Pardew out.

You need to up the dose mate, its not working LOL

Yep time to go slit your wrists then. I can live with a draw with Norwich.

My sincere apologies, it was the Meldrew type of Victor I was going for.

LOL, once again Alpine you show that you are totally clueless. LOL again. Were all doomed, doomed I tell you. LOL

Give it a rest Victor and go and take your medication.

I don't think anything he said was rocket science, same as the other managers. They are asked to come up with words every week to either explain a good performance or a poor performance and there are only so many reasons for either. Pardew is a decent manager but I think if you read what all the other managers were saying this weekend it would be difficult to tell them apart (aprt from Ferguson or Wenger!).

No, where I work we are trialling virtual courts but it is not working very well. You need to get people together in the same room. We may not have a perfect justice system but it is pretty good. Take away the element of people coming together in one place to deal with these issues and you take away the human element that makes it work.

I don't think that Davis is the problem. There are times when the defence just seem to lose concentration and fail to give him any protection. We had some good chances against Brighton but nothing like the ones they carved out for themselves. The goal against Charlton was another example of the defence switching off and not playing as a unit. If you look at all the goals scored against us how many could you say were down to Davis?

As I said, grow up. He is not my Messiah (what a stupidthing to say). I just see that he had a decent record with us and Ipswich and Hearts. It is called balance. I usually agree totally with the notion of free speech. Unfortunately in your case I think that someone should stick duct tape across your mouth and chop off you fingers so you can no longer contine with these pathetic little vendettas against people whose only sin is that they seemed to have upset you by doing their jobs below the ridiculous standards you set for them. Once again you fail to answer my points, that is simply because in that strange world of yours you actually know what you do and say is totally unreasonable in the real world. But you can't help yourself. It is like some mutated form of Tourettes. It has been suggested that if you gave a monkey a typewriter and unlimited time he would eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Give Alpine a typewriter and unlimited time and he would never get that far because he gets stuck at abusing someone he has never met forever...poor old Romeo wouldn't even get to first base with Juliet, Henry V wouldn't make it to France, the Princes in the Tower would live happily ever after and the B U R L E Y keys would be worn to stumps.

And smoking doesn't kill and alcohol is good for you....

You are a very strange little man Alpine, and you call me obsessive! Will you give Pardew te same treatment if he gets us into the play offs I wonder? Redknapp sepnt £6m and took us down. He then did F*all about getting us back up again but not a peep from you about him. Why is that? You hero Nigel Pearson only managed 3 wins in 13 games and was 20 minutes away from relegation but no criticism from you. One full season and a play off place that would have led to a play off final if it wasn't for a couple of individual mistakes on the pitch. Highest win ratio. A win every other match. Yet that is supposed to be rubbish. What equals success in the World of Alpine? You just seem to pick certain people and decide that because they don't fit in with the Alpine Sceme Of Things that you will spend endless hours finding opportunties to slag them off. We have had a succession of managers since Burley was here, none of whom have won matches at the same rate, although Pardew might change that. Grow up and move on.

Bloody hell, what has that got to do with anything? Forget big team, small things, geographical boundaries etc etc. What happened to fair play and the best team winning? If the situation had been reversed and the French knocked out by a goal like that it still would have been wrong and sickening. If teams win or lose within the rules of the game, fair enough. No team should lose a match to a "goal" like that. But I don't see how it can be a conspiracy. If Ireland had been 3 up what was the ref going to do? Give that goal and two dodgy penalties? Henry will now join Maradonna as a player with great skill who will mainly be remembered for cheating.