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I don't agree. A lot of the people I work with knew littel about Griffin or the BNP. Now they have seen the programme they became aware very quickly of how unpleasnt this man and his policies are. He and the BNP were shown up for what they are - ignorant, dangerous racists. It may have bootsed the BNP membership by a few thousand more mindless thugs, but millions have seen him for what he is. The comment about the almost totally non violent member of the KKK was worth watching this programme for alone. Sadly some people actually buy into this stuff. Wake up, it is 2009. The world has moved on since the 30's, not that the BNP care.

How can a more credible leader make ny difference to this awful organisation and why would you hope that someone would come along and put a more respectible veneer on this bunch of Nazis???? Adolf went a bit too far....London has been ethnically cleansed...yay, lets bring back the gas ovens shall we? The sort of people that the BNP attracts are the sort of people that helped Hilter and his cronies commit genocide. Have we leant nothing from history???

LOL, you would think so wouldn't you? These people spent hours slagging him off when he was here, you would think that they would be happy he has gone and be getting on with the new era. Makes you wonder if they had a secret admiration for him and can't bear to let him go! Time to move on methinks.

Couldn't agree with you more. Strangely enough decent people do not fight in pubs or at football matches....

Then grass away. To link moronic thugs with the label "Saints Fans" conveniently waters down psychotic behaviour. These are violent thugs who just happen to also be football supporters. They deserve all they get, there is no place for them at a club like ours.

Perhaps we should all just carry on as if the clocks hadn't changed?

I think you will find that you still have to work at 7 am!

Is that like saying the vast majority of Nazis were not Fascists? Surely if you throw your hat into a certain political party's ring and give them you vote you are tacitally endorsing everything they stand for??? You might have thought that Hitler had some pretty nifty ideas about the economy but when you gave him your support you gave him a mandate for mass murder.

In our constitution we do not vote for a Prime Minister. We vote for a local person who belongs to a certain Party. Whichever party wins, their leader becomes Prime Minister. If he leaves after a short while a new leader is voted in by the Party and he becomes Prime Minister. Check it out next time you vote. Unless you are in Gordon Brown's constituency you will not be given a box with Gordon Brown's name next to it. If you want it your way the whole voting system would have to change. Or you could move to America I suppose.

Do you like hockey, shooting ducks and have red cheeks???

Adolf went a little bit too far....priceless!!! I also loved the way he described London today as being "ethnically cleansed". We need more of this guy on TV. He shows the BNP up for what they really are.

You seem to know an awful lot about its contents Alpine, your daily read I take it?

As I said you don't get it. Go back and reread your posts where you drag those 2 up at any opportunity so you can get more of your jibes in. YOur avatar is spot on, you are cartoon character who is out for vengence LOL

Fine, whatever you say Alpine, you obviously don't get it....

So we had a manger who won every other game (you know who he is) and you didn't have that feeling even when we were winning games under him??? But then you never did like him did you, so you weren't about to let the results get in the way of your personal animosity towards him.

I have eaten Alpaca, not a whole one mind. Not really vermin though I suppose.

I never got that. What did he really think he would achieve? He was on a hiding to nothing, although the alternative was not fantastic either. I did read somewhere that the bank wanted him and Cowen back to sort things out but then you wonder why they pulled the plug when they did? Perhaps Lowe didn't make the savings that he was expected to do, although it is hard to see how much esle we could have saved, the expenditure was cut to the bone as it was...perhaps it was his failure to ship out more high earners?

Then you would be one of those people Alpine as I have lost count the number of times you have fired off personal abuse at someone with a different viewpoint to you!

Well put Weston. He did some great deals for us and was not as bad as many people wish to believe. But is personality failings and relegation will mean that balanced discussions will be few and far between. I read somewhere that his opposite numbers saw him as a visionary. Maybe his vision would have worked if more money had been available, we shall never know, but with failure comes blame, such is the way of the world. I don't recall a lot of flak going his way when we were doing well (although I agree he was never liked). Hockey and his red cheeks plus the fact that he was deemed to be a "toff" marked him out as a target from day 1.

You know what, I think that I suffered more "pain" during the Branfoot era, but each to his own. At the end of the day it is only football and words like "hate" and "despise" are ridiculous in a world where rapists and murderers exists and such negative energy is directed to the Chairman of a sporting institution.

So much so that they still dine together? How is that that everything that goes wrong is down to him and everything that goes right is down to other people??? THis is where your arguement falls apart. Lowe put the structure in place for WGS to do what he did, just as he did when Redknapp took us down. A lot of people were horrified when Lowe chose WGS after his time at Coventry but it didn't work out badly dd it? Yep, other appointments not so good, but you really can't have it both ways mate. I would also suggest that Lowe had the players at the club to beat Arsenal at Cardiff but WGS bottled it and paid Arsenal too much respect (in fact they effectively beat us at Highbury) but that is for anothe thread!!!

And when you have the cash in the bank to do the above

Indeed mate! I think if AP had been able to have a pre-season and put his team together in the summer we would be out of the relegation zone by now. He is doing a good job and I think he has shown that he is the man to take us forward. Not as fast as some would like garnted, but Rome wasn't built in a day and we are currently winning football matches on a regular basis, something we haven't done for several seasons. Rock on Alan.

So, no Pardew out, but when thread today?

LMs big talent for us was to bring so many "big names" to what was then an unfashionable club. No mean feat and a great testiment to his personality and desire to put us on the map. As for coaching, didn't Channon say that he just bought good players and let them get on with it? Something that worked for us then but I can't see that working nowdays.