revolution saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I'm sure I saw in an interview an intention to appoint a sporting director. I guess this would be along the lines of a director of football role? Can't say I'm a massive fan of that model as I'd prefer a manager to run the show but it's the owners call. Anyway, if this is the case then wouldn't it make sense to appoint the sporting director before looking for a manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 The director of football/sporting director normally ends up becoming the manager after a few months when things go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StInky Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Maybe there are plans afoot to widen the appeal of SFC by adding more sports to the roster? cf Barcelona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I swear hes Mandaric II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I swear hes Mandaric II Are you the one spreading Tony Adams rumours again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Maybe there are plans afoot to widen the appeal of SFC by adding more sports to the roster? cf Barcelona? We could do with an ice hockey team and stadium if they want a wish list to work from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 The European style of having a DOF does work as long as the job definitions are set correctly and have independence from the managers role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 The European style of having a DOF does work as long as the job definitions are set correctly and have independence from the managers role. or if the manager is young and great in some areas but inexperienced in others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StInky Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 We could do with an ice hockey team and stadium if they want a wish list to work from. . . . .and dare I add a rugby club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 . . . .and dare I add a rugby club? If we want to be inclusive there should be hockey and pheasant shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Steve Coppell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Steve Coppell would be such an ideal choice to work with Paul Tisdale IMO. Coppell is an introvert who would NEVER interfere in areas the manager/head coach didn't want to welcome him into. I think he would probably come to. He's also a decent name to attract higher profile players. Paul Tisdale knows the lower divisions and is highly motivated to achieve at any club, let alone Southampton Football Club. We really could go along way with those two. Although i would love Strachan to return, i'm not sure how much he knows about the lower divisions. These two would be the perfect choice for me right now. Better than Strachan, better than keegan. It makes sense in every aspect you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Steve Coppell would be such an ideal choice to work with Paul Tisdale IMO. Coppell is an introvert who would NEVER interfere in areas the manager/head coach didn't want to welcome him into. I think he would probably come to. He's also a decent name to attract higher profile players. Paul Tisdale knows the lower divisions and is highly motivated to achieve at any club, let alone Southampton Football Club. We really could go along way with those two. Although i would love Strachan to return, i'm not sure how much he knows about the lower divisions. These two would be the perfect choice for me right now. Better than Strachan, better than keegan. It makes sense in every aspect you look at it. Except of course that Coppell is a manager. He may come across as introverted but I doubt he is, you don't get success as a manager by being introverted. This DoF/Sporting Director role almost seems like an assistant to the manager and yet in continental terms the sporting director is superior to the head coach. If, for example, we appointed Tisdale there would be nothing wrong with him getting in an experienced assistant but Tisdale would still be the main man. Whoever we get in I want them to have sole responsibility - they call the shots, take the glory when it goes well and the flak when it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 i think the DOF role in the UK gets mixed up. If its just a link on the board with football matters then it makes sence. But you need someone that knows board level as well as football level. You wouldnt generally have the manager on the board discussing the finances of the club and so on and Rupes showed that the board level coming down to do football things doesnt work either. So maybe it could work but there are not many brit style managers that get it right so it rarly works over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 i think the DOF role in the UK gets mixed up. If its just a link on the board with football matters then it makes sence. But you need someone that knows board level as well as football level. You wouldnt generally have the manager on the board discussing the finances of the club and so on and Rupes showed that the board level coming down to do football things doesnt work either. So maybe it could work but there are not many brit style managers that get it right so it rarly works over here. It's never worked over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 It's never worked over here. but was that not what Ted was to Lawrie in the 70's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 but was that not what Ted was to Lawrie in the 70's? Wasn't he just a member of the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Wasn't he just a member of the board? looking after the football side of the club, the problem in his country is that people appointed as directors of football have to big an ego and cannot step back and just give advice like Ted did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 It's never worked over here. when Newcastle thing was going on a top manager, forget which one but I posted it at the time, said many many clubs work successfully with this role, but some call it operations director, sporting director, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 looking after the football side of the club' date=' the problem in his country is that people appointed as directors of football have to big an ego and cannot step back and just give advice like Ted did[/quote'] Exactly so why not just get an experienced number two? The title of sporting director/ DoF implies responsibility that really should be the manager's domain. I'd hope that the guy in charge would have enough contacts and belief in his own instincts to trust the people he wants to listen to and not have advice pushed upon him by someone appointed above him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 the way the game has moved on good managers are necessarily best equipped or have the time to deal with agents etc - hence sporting director, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Exactly so why not just get an experienced number two? The title of sporting director/ DoF implies responsibility that really should be the manager's domain. I'd hope that the guy in charge would have enough contacts and belief in his own instincts to trust the people he wants to listen to and not have advice pushed upon him by someone appointed above him. i am not saying it is a good thing but answering the post that it does not work , when in fact it has work twice for saints Ted and Lawrie then Lawrie and Bally. You just have to find the right people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 the way the game has moved on good managers are necessarily best equipped or have the time to deal with agents etc - hence sporting director, Fine if they are subservient to the manager, in other words just an assistant. However a sporting director sits on the board and has the capability to assist in decisions that can be imposed upon a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 it usually fails, very publicly, when a manager is in place and then football director - who has different ideas in recruited. If they both know the score, or director in place first, it is more likely to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Fine if they are subservient to the manager, in other words just an assistant. However a sporting director sits on the board and has the capability to assist in decisions that can be imposed upon a manager. manager is answerable to the board - whatever their titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I'm sure I saw in an interview an intention to appoint a sporting director. I guess this would be along the lines of a director of football role? Can't say I'm a massive fan of that model as I'd prefer a manager to run the show but it's the owners call. Anyway, if this is the case then wouldn't it make sense to appoint the sporting director before looking for a manager? Clive Woodward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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