Letiss and benali as boss

[lordswoodsaints]

With the wonky ball kicker as DoF

As in the letiss book/todays echo.

Would it have worked?

 

 

I doesn't really fill me with confidence.....inexperienced managers coupled with a DoF from a different sport,I'm not so sure.

[70's Mike]

With the wonky ball kicker as DoF

As in the letiss book/todays echo.

Would it have worked?

 

 

I doesn't really fill me with confidence.....inexperienced managers coupled with a DoF from a different sport,I'm not so sure.

 

it may have worked in the premiership but not in the CCC

[lordswoodsaints]

it may have worked in the premiership but not in the CCC

 

Do you really think so mike?

 

I would have thought that having sir Clive as DoF would scare away any potential players from signing for us,you know how these millionaire poncy players would react to having to negotiate with a rugby player.

I would like to think that letiss/benali would achieve something similar to what keane achieved at Sunderland but what I would wish to happen and what would have happened is probably a million miles apart.....largely due to lowe lurking in the background.

[krissyboy31]

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of SCW returning as Sporting Director TBH.

[Crab Lungs]

Oh jesus... Le Tissier.... if anyone actually knows or listens to the man, they would know how perceptive, intelligent and knowledgable he is. On top of this, he's a personable and fair guy... regardless of badges, this is a man who could effectively manage a football team and do it successfully.

 

Maybe not necessarily coach or take them on pre-season marathons around the New Forest, but my word he's just got that 'thing' which all good managers have... he'd motivate you, he'd lead you... he could do it without a shadow of a doubt. Without a doubt.

[dubai_phil]

Ah my favourite topic....

 

SCW was ORIGINALLY recruited to use his expertise in elite performance to produce systems processes and programmes that would enable a far higher percentage of Academy graduates to make the grade in our first team. In the original press releases at the time, SCW believed that this was where his skills could best fit to his hopes of a new career in football, and that while he did this work he could start to learn the skills needed to be involved in more direct football roles.

 

Then it all went t*ts up...

 

So, in "what if land"...

 

If he had spent a year or two doing what the label originally said, then moving on to say the first team as a specialist coach in say Sports Science - ie to LEARN the trade, THEN, with that knowledge, and his skills I have no doubt that he would have made an extremely competent "Sporting Director"

 

Then with MLT & Benali learning the ropes under him? No, it would not have worked. SCW would have had the competencies for the role as Liason to the board and the likes but could never have been a mentor to the lads learning their trade.

 

DoF does work. It worked with Ted Bates & Lawrie Mc. We knee jerk every time that DoF is mentioned though and only see interference. There is so much more to the roles than that, but my argument is always the same.

Who would you prefer to be the boss of the manager? Rupert or a DoF? Likewise who is best suited to run a football club? A businessman or an ex footballer?

As LONG as the people involved have a higer IQ and understanding of what is needed than most of us, then it can work.

But equally, you didn't need to be Einstein to say WTF about the Newcastle structure!

[Crispypie]

It seems to me (and i am only going by what has been quoted or written on this board!), that RL seemed to set up the team managment on a divide and conquor basis. (redknap and woodward, JP and wotte). So i would suspect if MLT and Benali where given the go ahead they would have been undermind by RL and probaly not stand a chance. I think they had a lucky escape!!!

[dubai_phil]

It seems to me (and i am only going by what has been quoted or written on this board!), that RL seemed to set up the team managment on a divide and conquor basis. (redknap and woodward, JP and wotte). So i would suspect if MLT and Benali where given the go ahead they would have been undermind by RL and probaly not stand a chance. I think they had a lucky escape!!!

 

 

For someone with only 25 posts I think you show a unique grasp of the situation we used to have, well done

[-o

 

You should get on here more often!

 

Standard "Public School" Management Techniques, has screwed the country for far too many years

[Crispypie]

For someone with only 25 posts I think you show a unique grasp of the situation we used to have, well done

[-o

 

You should get on here more often!

 

Standard "Public School" Management Techniques, has screwed the country for far too many years

 

 

 

Cheers Phil, appreciated. I do a fair amount of lurking, but usually before i reach the end of what starts out as a reasonable discussion it turns into a slagging match between few people and I feel my point would have been lost, and as I am in post saving mode I have to be choosy!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Do you really think so mike?

 

I would have thought that having sir Clive as DoF would scare away any potential players from signing for us,you know how these millionaire poncy players would react to having to negotiate with a rugby player.

I would like to think that letiss/benali would achieve something similar to what keane achieved at Sunderland but what I would wish to happen and what would have happened is probably a million miles apart.....largely due to lowe lurking in the background.

 

I think you have to look at Keane's ability and attitude on the pitch compared to our two and you soon come to the conclusion that as a managerial potential neither could hope to hold a candle to Keane. In comedy terms a bit like Frankie Boyle vs Mike and Bernie Winters.

[Nineteen Canteen]

For someone with only 25 posts I think you show a unique grasp of the situation we used to have, well done

[-o

 

You should get on here more often!

 

Standard "Public School" Management Techniques, has screwed the country for far too many years

 

Trouble is Phil words in society still speak louder than actions and the establishment are good at rolling out the oraters if nothing else. I don't suppose things will change until the old school tie network is broken and that won't happen unless they turn Eton and Co into comprehensives or until such time we have a cabinet educated at Cranfield and in my experience many of those you wouldn't want to put in front of a box brownie despite their apptitude at the job.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Oh jesus... Le Tissier.... if anyone actually knows or listens to the man, they would know how perceptive, intelligent and knowledgable he is. On top of this, he's a personable and fair guy... regardless of badges, this is a man who could effectively manage a football team and do it successfully.

 

Maybe not necessarily coach or take them on pre-season marathons around the New Forest, but my word he's just got that 'thing' which all good managers have... he'd motivate you, he'd lead you... he could do it without a shadow of a doubt. Without a doubt.

 

Has given me the impression on numerous occassions that he struggles to motivate himself and his playing style suggests he would be far too laid back for management. Pundits are simply ex-players playing at being managers without any accountability or responsibility and I suspect if he became our manager under pressure of the microscope his perception, intelligence and fairnes would soon crumble as IMO recent pressures and expectations of him have shown.

 

MLT's personality has shown that he is ideal for a PR role or a role in media. IMO his profile does not suit the cut and thrust of football management or a business savvy club chairman and I believe it would have been a disaster in any event.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Matt's views on Redknapp are revealing "he would have done the job if Lowe had let him get on with it" and also his views on the foolhardiness of appointing SCW should have quite a few on here eating humble pie.

 

Haven bitten the bullet by appointing Redknapp Lowe then refused to give him free range, Redknapp lost interest and we went down. All very predicatable, forecasted by some on here and now confirmed by MLT. Shame he never spoke out at the time!

[sadoldgit]

Redknapp never had any interest in us from day one. He always talked about us in the third person and in his own words did not know what he was doing here. He was given money to spent and bought the gifted Davenport and Bernard. Gee thanks 'Arry.

 

And who will ever forget the infamous "thumbs up" to Mandric after the Pompey disaster? FF it seems.

 

Oh yes and when we needed a goalscorer and he could buy Morrison (who at the time was total pants) what did he do? Threw his toys out of the pram and refused to look for another striker.

 

I remember Lowe clearly saying at the time he was waiting for Redknapp to come to him with a list of players, but it didn't happen.

 

As far as I could see Lowe did "let him get on with it" and a right bloody mess he made of it too, but you are not one to let your hatred of LOwe cloud your judgement are you Duncan?

 

As for Matt, great player but lets face it, has the nous of a turnip after allowing himself to be used by Pinnacle.

 

The only foolhardiness of appointing SCW was not letting him do his job. When we were struggling and in need of some help, what were we told? That because of 'Arry Woodward was not let near the 1st team.....well that worked well didn't it?

 

Still, we are so much better off now aren't we?

Edited 22 August, 2009 by sadoldgit

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Redknapp never had any interest in us from day one. He always talked about us in the third person and in his own words did not know what he was doing here. He was given money to spent and bought the gifted Davenport and Bernard. Gee thanks 'Arry.

 

And who will ever forget the infamous "thumbs up" to Mandric after the Pompey disaster? FF it seems.

 

Oh yes and when we needed a goalscorer and he could buy Morrison (who at the time was total pants) what did he do? Threw his toys out of the pram and refused to look for another striker.

 

I remember Lowe clearly saying at the time he was waiting for Redknapp to come to him with a list of players, but it didn't happen.

 

As far as I could see Lowe did "let him get on with it" and a right bloody mess he made of it too, but you are not one to let your hatred of LOwe cloud your judgement are you Duncan?

 

As for Matt, great player but lets face it, has the nous of a turnip after allowing himself to be used by Pinnacle.

 

The only foolhardiness of appointing SCW was not letting him do his job. When we were struggling and in need of some help, what were we told? That because of 'Arry Woodward was not let near the 1st team.....well that worked well didn't it?

 

Still, we are so much better off now aren't we?

 

 

Bern old chap - admit defeat. MLT has now confirmed all the negative things that I used to be criticised for saying about Lowe. And yes we are better off now the ruddy faced one has moved to pastures new. You should have been there today to sample the atmosphere. Were you there - could you be bothered?

Go on, time to take off your SCW underpants and admit it - it was as Matt said very much the wrong appointment at the time.

 

And if you think I hate Lowe, get get off your arse, get yourself to a live game just now and again and find out what the man in the Southampton street feels about your idol now.

 

Your statement about letting SCW "do his job" is laughable. You should read what MLT had to say about Simon Clifford!!!!!

 

Bern, get into the real world, if you can't do that just get yourself to at least one game per season and then you might start to know what you are talking about.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Bern old chap - admit defeat. MLT has now confirmed all the negative things that I used to be criticised for saying about Lowe. And yes we are better off now the ruddy faced one has moved to pastures new. You should have been there today to sample the atmosphere. Were you there - could you be bothered?

Go on, time to take off your SCW underpants and admit it - it was as Matt said very much the wrong appointment at the time.

 

And if you think I hate Lowe, get get off your arse, get yourself to a live game just now and again and find out what the man in the Southampton street feels about your idol now.

 

Your statement about letting SCW "do his job" is laughable. You should read what MLT had to say about Simon Clifford!!!!!

 

Bern, get into the real world, if you can't do that just get yourself to at least one game per season and then you might start to know what you are talking about.

 

FF I notice you avoided SOG's 'nous of a turnip' quip. Makes you wonder and perhaps was it is no surprise he needed a 'ghost writer'?

 

Given MLT's decision to endorse Pinnacle and some of his alleged comments on Sky recently after Liebherr had bought us and considering your personal experiences with him as you have told us on here, do you think we can rely on his opinion in the book?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

FF I notice you avoided SOG's 'nous of a turnip' quip. Makes you wonder and perhaps was it is no surprise he needed a 'ghost writer'?

 

Given MLT's decision to endorse Pinnacle and some of his alleged comments on Sky recently after Liebherr had bought us and considering your personal experiences with him as you have told us on here, do you think we can rely on his opinion in the book?

 

Yes I do. He knows his football inside out as can be seen on Sky most weekends.

Matt is also as honest as the day is long.

 

"Nous of a turnip" - well if I was Matt I would laugh at that coming from an armchair critic such as SoG.

 

Matt was naive maybe, even gullible and he should have checked out Pinnacle much more thoroughly, but I suppose that is with the benefit of hindsight plus he was as frantic as the rest of us in hoping we would not go to the wall.

 

Perhaps Matt could lay all this to rest by actually telling why Pinnacle really folded and clear up a few side issues and then we can all move on.

[Fan The Flames]

FF I notice you avoided SOG's 'nous of a turnip' quip. Makes you wonder and perhaps was it is no surprise he needed a 'ghost writer'?

 

Have you had many books published recently 19C unt

[um pahars]

Have you had many books published recently 19C unt

 

He wouldn't know which one of his pseudonyms to put down as the author;). Then again, maybe he could write a chapter under each of his many guises.

 

He's our very own Jayne Ann Krentz:D