Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 1. Teams who have been beaten regularly, suffer a lack of confidence. 2. Teams who have been promoted have been winning regularly and therefore do not lack confidence. Just thought this was worth pointing out for those people who say "it was only Brentford ffs..." 3. There is no such thing as a 'big club' just deluded fans who think the footprint of the stadium or some historic achievements confer a divine right to victory. 4. To expect to win because of the size of the stadium and number of fans in the seats is bordering on clinically insane. Otherwise, Jenson Button would be better off this afternoon driving a number 38 from Bitterne Central... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 +1,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Finally, someone on this god forsaken forum says something rational. Completely agree. I'd add a number 5 too: 5. Negative, miserable fans will, in no way, help the plight of the team, whereas positive, upbeat fans CAN have a positive impact on the team. That's includes attitude within this forum as well as in the stadium. The feelgood factor does make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggiee Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 4. To expect to win because of the size of the stadium and number of fans in the seats is bordering on clinically insane. Otherwise, Jenson Button would be better off this afternoon driving a number 38 from Bitterne Central... I don't think many think like this though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I don't think many think like this though Look around... People talk about us having a Premiership infrastructure, being a 'big club' in this league. It's nonsense. What we have is more bricks than Bristol, a bigger training-projector than Peteborough and more seats than Swindon. We have NO infrastructure worth having before Pardew builds it. We had poor coaches, poor training regime, poor management, poor tactics, poor players and p!ss-poor mental attitude. THESE are what win Manchester United titles, not the three tier stand and direct tramlink from Stretford.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 But le god it is not nonsense I can't remember a team so happy with a draw against the bottom club lime brentford fans were. They were ecstatic. If facilities mean nothing then why don't we sell the training ground and use southampton. Common? We are one of the bigger clubs in this league hence why the likes of lambert come to us at the bottom and getting his wages doubled and why the captain of another club came to us yes it does not mean we have a devine right to win but it all counts in our favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 We have NO infrastructure worth having before Pardew builds it. We had poor coaches, poor training regime, poor management, poor tactics, poor players and p!ss-poor mental attitude. .... Well put. This is what I mean by 'Lowe's legacy team'. Until AP rebuilds HIS team we are still suffering from Lowe's input. But, he is and the famous Lowe losing mentality will start to fall away shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 But le god it is not nonsense I can't remember a team so happy with a draw against the bottom club lime brentford fans were. They were ecstatic. If facilities mean nothing then why don't we sell the training ground and use southampton. Common? We are one of the bigger clubs in this league hence why the likes of lambert come to us at the bottom and getting his wages doubled and why the captain of another club came to us yes it does not mean we have a devine right to win but it all counts in our favour But the size or our club means nothing on the pitch - the 'reputation' means our opposition work harder against us! What will count more is doing all those things the 'big' clubs have done so well - appointing a proven manager and backing him... We've done that for the first time since 2000, let's see how it pans out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Of course the size of the club helps Who else in this league could I've signed the beat striker whilst sat well adrift at the bottom??? Leeds, charlton that is about it te size of the club helpe us there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Of course the size of the club helps Who else in this league could I've signed the beat striker whilst sat well adrift at the bottom??? Leeds, charlton that is about it te size of the club helpe us there Sure, but where are Leeds?? And how long have they been here? We FINALLY have signed a proven manager. We have FINALLY given him some resources. He has inherited a bag a shyte. In fact, five years of accumulated shyte. Managers build football clubs. Let him build it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Of course the size of the club helps Who else in this league could I've signed the beat striker whilst sat well adrift at the bottom??? Leeds, charlton that is about it te size of the club helpe us there I think you're both right. The fact that we are a big club, with good fan support and a decent backer and no debts actually means we CAN invest in rebuilding a team quicker than most. But LG3C is essentially correct, until AP has HIS team in place he should not be judged negatively. He inherited a League 2 quality side - both in terms of skill for some and certainly mentality for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Oh dear, here we go again. All Lowe's fault. It was not all Lowe's fault and until some fans get that into their heads this forum will be a waste of space. What happened to us happen and is happening to plnety of other teams...without hard cash you will struggle to compete. We consistently lost our better players, not because of Lowe but because of money. Even the Wilde Bunch had the same problems and had to let talent go, remember? For all his faluts we had more "good" years than bad under Loew, if your premis was true we would hve been relegated sooner rather than had a Cup Final and european football surely? Get over it, we were rubbish when Lowe went before and we are rubbish now without him. At this rate we wil probably be rubbish for the next few years. It takes more than one man to build a club just as it takes more than one man to destroy a club. We have been a victim of circumstances, simples...move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 1. Teams who have been beaten regularly, suffer a lack of confidence. Charlton Athletic's lack of confidence is plain for all to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Charlton Athletic's lack of confidence is plain for all to see. I know where you are coming from, however Charlton can at least point to a trifle more stability over the summer and the fact they managed to keep the likes of Shelvey as well. Good luck to them. Also - I think it's important to note as well that the "losing mentality" wasn't just simply the number of games lost either - we were on the verge of losing the club altogether and were basically in free-fall. It is hard to expect the players we have to erase this totally from their memory, especially when so many of them have had such short careers. They don't know what it feels like to win regularly, and I would imagine a fair few would have been genuinely worried about what was going to happen to them as well. They do need to shape up and sort it out, but all we can do is hope that AP can instill some belief into the side. If they are not good enough technically, well so be it. However they can only try their best; and if they do so then we as fans should not get on their backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Charlton Athletic's lack of confidence is plain for all to see. Er, you missed the 20 games they went without a win when Parkinson was appointed?? They actually started winning at the back end of last season. And we didn't!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Charlton Athletic's lack of confidence is plain for all to see. They finished last season quite well, top half of the form table iirc. they didn't come down on the back of a run of defeats...like us and norwich, and we're both struggling to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Quite so. We continued to lose all through the protracted takeover, whilst player after player left. It will take quite some time to recover what we have lost but we have the right moves being made now and I have every confidence that the constant downward momentum of the last 5 years will be replaced with an inexorable upward one. It would be nice if everyone of us was onboard for the trip instead of getting off at the first sign if delays at the first station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Charlton Athletic's lack of confidence is plain for all to see. Yes as well as Newcastle and Middlesborough. Losing mentality is cod pyshcology used by managers that can't turn a team around. Nothing kills a 'losing mentality' like winning a few games. A losing mentality doesn't exist, it is just the realism that when you go a goal or two down you know you havn't got the ability to come back. Its lack of ability not a mental thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 It'll always come down to one thing and one thing alone - it's down to the 11 men that cross the white line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 This all sounds good and looks like a good excuse at the end of the day we could not beat a team that were utterly shocking and who at one point could only really pass the ball pathetically out of play for a period in the second half. We huffed and puffed and had lots of possession but we had no wide players an those who did ply wide lack any sort of team discipline and we created nothing really I'm sure it will come good soon. Well I blooming hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 1. Teams who have been beaten regularly, suffer a lack of confidence. 2. Teams who have been promoted have been winning regularly and therefore do not lack confidence. Just thought this was worth pointing out for those people who say "it was only Brentford ffs..." 3. There is no such thing as a 'big club' just deluded fans who think the footprint of the stadium or some historic achievements confer a divine right to victory. 4. To expect to win because of the size of the stadium and number of fans in the seats is bordering on clinically insane. Otherwise, Jenson Button would be better off this afternoon driving a number 38 from Bitterne Central... But large clubs attract by their nature attract more fans,more paying customers if you like,thus generating more income to spend on better players that will make the club more succesful which will attract more fans and more income etc etc. I'm afraid bus driving doesn't thrill the motor racing public as much as formula 1,now I'm sure that jenson button is capable of driving a bus but f1 is slightly better paid. By the way Manu fans expect to win every game and they usually get close to that,they support a very big club.I on the other hand will be content with just watching a decent game,something which I havnt seen for a long time.if the players on the pitch have given it their all then win,lose or draw I will walk away happy,I may not be happy with the result but at least I know there is some hope that things are looking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Er, you missed the 20 games they went without a win when Parkinson was appointed?? They actually started winning at the back end of last season. And we didn't!! Not missing anything. There is a lot of bull being talked, and for every instance to back an argument there is an equally compelling example against. Norwich have almost as much turmoil as us (not quite I agree) but seem to have turned the corner again with new man in charge for first game. It is also difficult to say that the current team is used to losing. 5 new players were in yesterday, only James, Perry, Spiderman, Lallana and of course Davis were regulars last term, so are you saying that the lack of confidence is down to the 5 players? Spiderman is used to winning with France u21 as well. The only players I think lack confidence is James (on Swindon showing). Lallana is over confident. I know things will take a while to click but even with all of our problems 2 points from 12 is pathetic for a club of our standing and with the players that we have. You can blame it on pshychology and bury your head in the sand or you can be realistic and say its not good enough yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Not missing anything. There is a lot of bull being talked, and for every instance to back an argument there is an equally compelling example against. Norwich have almost as much turmoil as us (not quite I agree) but seem to have turned the corner again with new man in charge for first game. It is also difficult to say that the current team is used to losing. 5 new players were in yesterday, only James, Perry, Spiderman, Lallana and of course Davis were regulars last term, so are you saying that the lack of confidence is down to the 5 players? Spiderman is used to winning with France u21 as well. The only players I think lack confidence is James (on Swindon showing). Lallana is over confident. I know things will take a while to click but even with all of our problems 2 points from 12 is pathetic for a club of our standing and with the players that we have. You can blame it on pshychology and bury your head in the sand or you can be realistic and say its not good enough yet. I'm not burying my head in the sand. We have some crap footballers. Worse, they are crap MENTALLY. That's what we need to fix. Either them or ditch them and get in some players who can cut it!!! The point is that yesterday was not about one big club versus a little one. It was about 11 v 11 and their 11 are on a high after promotion and we're on a low after relegation. I agree that we should be taking advantage of being a 'bigger' club but it means nothing. And this idea we should win by dint of size is cobblers. We should win because our players are better or work harder or both. I agree with you, it't not good enough yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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