NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 We should have and would liked to have cleared the 10 points winning a few games but some of the over reaction on here, and the almost glee at slagging off our players is pathetic. Few weeks ago we didn't even have assistant managers/coaches, scouts etc. If you add Murty, Jaidi, Holmes, Papa and Saga to that team I am guessing it will perform better than yesterdays. We all want wins and believe we should be winning most of our games in this league but why slate the players and manager so much? Why not be furstrated, disappointed but patient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 how long though before we are allowed to be worried without getting a legod second coming sort of speech..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 We should have and would liked to have cleared the 10 points winning a few games but some of the over reaction on here, and the almost glee at slagging off our players is pathetic. Few weeks ago we didn't even have assistant managers/coaches, scouts etc. If you add Murty, Jaidi, Holmes, Papa and Saga to that team I am guessing it will perform better than yesterdays. We all want wins and believe we should be winning most of our games in this league but why slate the players and manager so much? Why not be furstrated, disappointed but patient? Excellent post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I agree. However, how many more games, without a string of good results, before we reach the tipping point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 September, 2009 How many before what? Sacking manager? loads. being fed up and disappointed? I was yesterday. concerned about how long it will take for us to get back to CCC? I am now. What I am not doing is slating those involved, saying we must win the next game and ignoring the progress we are making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 How many before what? Sacking manager? loads. being fed up and disappointed? I was yesterday. concerned about how long it will take for us to get back to CCC? I am now. What I am not doing is slating those involved, saying we must win the next game and ignoring the progress we are making. football is all about opinions...if they cant take it then they should not play.. they get paid well enough and when they get praise, they get praise like no other..take the rough with the smooth IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 It is disappointing weve not won yet but it will come and then i think we will hit form.other teams may have won 6 out of 6 but its a long season ahead and plenty of time for us to move up the table.keep the faith,coyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I agree that a number are slating the players and critical of Pardew through frustration. The continual excuse of having no preseaon is getting a little boring we have a team with experience players costing more than most League 1 sides and should be performing better. But the major problem I think is the points deduction If we had no deduction , a few of decent results would see us moving out of the relegation zone but with the deduction it is going to take a lot longer to achieve and is worrying people. Worried people are more critical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I agree that a number are slating the players and critical of Pardew through frustration. The continual excuse of having no preseaon is getting a little boring we have a team with experience players costing more than most League 1 sides and should be performing better. But the major problem I think is the points deduction If we had no deduction , a few of decent results would see us moving out of the relegation zone but with the deduction it is going to take a lot longer to achieve and is worrying people. Worried people are more critical I was really sure we could go for promotion..really was..now, no way it really baffles me, when you look at the players we have, the facilites we have, why are we on par with tranmere..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I was really sure we could go for promotion..really was..now, no way it really baffles me, when you look at the players we have, the facilites we have, why are we on par with tranmere..? Of course there was a possibilty of getting to the play offs but realistically I did not believe it. However I am with you in thinking that the team we have we should have at least had a win or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Of course there was a possibilty of getting to the play offs but realistically I did not believe it. However I am with you in thinking that the team we have we should have at least had a win or two Well we have had a win, just happened to be in the League Cup ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Disappointing yes, but......... there are as you say people who only seem happy when they have something to moan about, there's nowt as queer as folk and how true that is on here ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I think that at the start of the season most people would have accepted a mid table finish as being a fair target. Now, to achieve that we are going to to need play off form for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Now need to exceed 1.5 points per game to get close to safety. Tough task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 football is all about opinions...if they cant take it then they should not play.. Football is also about supporting your team. If you can't handle the ups and downs then maybe you shouldn't support a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Football is also about supporting your team. If you can't handle that then maybe you shouldn't support a team. where cant I handle it..? did you know, it is quite possible to support, follow, watch a team AND question decisions made.. I remember when this place was all about rupert lowe and people wished for the day we could get our teeth into pure footballing debates... when we do, people like YOU seem to think it is not allowed..? with debates there will be differing opinions...what an utter shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 where cant I handle it..? did you know, it is quite possible to support, follow, watch a team AND question decisions made.. I remember when this place was all about rupert lowe and people wished for the day we could get our teeth into pure footballing debates... when we do, people like YOU seem to think it is not allowed..? with debates there will be differing opinions...what an utter shocker It's also quite possible to be a footballer or a manager and be affected by fans' negative opinions of them. Why do people like YOU think you can slag them off, as though you could do a better job, and think you will achieve anything?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 It's also quite possible to be a footballer or a manager and be affected by fans' negative opinions of them. Why do people like YOU think you can slag them off, as though you could do a better job, and think you will achieve anything?! please show me where i have slagged anyone off.. many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Football is also about supporting your team. If you can't handle the ups and downs then maybe you shouldn't support a team. You just hit the hammer directly on the nail !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 please show me where i have slagged anyone off.. many thanks Slag off, doubt their ability, doubt Pardew is up for the job....all the same thing really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 imo 1 win is all it will take to go on a run and get the confidence up, both on and off the pitch. We are not too far away from a good side. It seems we have the back sorted, just need the rest to click ad off we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Slag off, doubt their ability, doubt Pardew is up for the job....all the same thing really but show me where.....please, back it up if you accuse me of it.. the one player I have remotely done this to is Lallana...I stated that he is a great talent but no use on the wings.. but fill your boots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 imo 1 win is all it will take to go on a run and get the confidence up, both on and off the pitch. We are not too far away from a good side. It seems we have the back sorted, just need the rest to click ad off we go. Completely agree. All the team need is a bit of confidence from somewhere. It's hard when you're always wondering where the next boos are coming from though I suppose. Like you said, 1 win and we could be off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 but show me where.....please, back it up if you accuse me of it.. the one player I have remotely done this to is Lallana...I stated that he is a great talent but no use on the wings.. but fill your boots... Do I really have to go copying and pasting from other threads....I really, really can't be arsed. You aren't that important to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 September, 2009 questioning is one thing, look at the first page of this forum 2 threads offensive about Paterson 1 slagging off Hammond one titled so who wants Pardew out? one suggesting withdrawal of support of saga Its not questioning or debating its taking pleasure in slagging off players/team Some out of frustration I am sure - others not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Do I really have to go copying and pasting from other threads....I really, really can't be arsed. You aren't that important to me. well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 well done I shouldn't disregard all your opinions...I'm wrong. You go to watch games and so can see exactly what's going on. Oh wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I shouldn't disregard all your opinions...I'm wrong. You go to watch games and so can see exactly what's going on. Oh wait.... err, yes I do infact...next question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 err, yes I do infact...next question How many this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 How many this season? does it matter...really..? do I need to have gone to swindon to know we were crap..do I need to have gone to the brentford game to know we were pretty crap in most parts.. I will not and nor SHOULD I (or anyone) have to justify the games they go to over a debate on a message board.. you are not even debating an opinion I have just decided to "have a go".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 does it matter...really..? do I need to have gone to swindon to know we were crap..do I need to have gone to the brentford game to know we were pretty crap in most parts.. I will not and nor SHOULD I (or anyone) have to justify the games they go to over a debate on a message board.. you are not even debating an opinion I have just decided to "have a go".. Well it matters that you said we were "pathetic" yesterday, because if you didn't go and watch for yourself, how can you have that opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Well it matters that you said we were "pathetic" yesterday, because if you didn't go and watch for yourself, how can you have that opinion? No I never..i said the result was pathetic... I have not made ANY comments on the performace of the players on yesterdays game.. anything else.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I went yesterday - and was thoroughly fed up and grumpy - getting frurstrated. But I do see things that reassure me. If you don't go (and I don't go to many away games) it is hard to see anything positive in defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 i said the result was pathetic... Was it? Against a team that thumped Norwich 7-1? We're not a premiership team anymore. Therefore why should be automatically assume that colchester are a pushover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Was it? Against a team that thumped Norwich 7-1? We're not a premiership team anymore. Therefore why should be automatically assume that colchester are a pushover? yes...that was a one off..they have been losing a few...just lost their manager, new manager in, losing players, no ambition shown from their chairman, we bought their captain which they were not happy about...they were down to 10 men for along time so IMO, pretty poor result I reckon (just reckon) that more people would agree than dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 yes...that was a one off..they have been losing a few...just lost their manager, new manager in, losing players, no ambition shown from their chairman, we bought their captain which they were not happy about...they were down to 10 men for along time so IMO, pretty poor result I reckon (just reckon) that more people would agree than dont Ok so they have been losing a few and have a new manager in........what is our current situation - remind me?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 yes...that was a one off..they have been losing a few...just lost their manager, new manager in, losing players, no ambition shown from their chairman, we bought their captain which they were not happy about...they were down to 10 men for along time so IMO, pretty poor result I reckon (just reckon) that more people would agree than dont I agree with you Delldays surely a win just one miserable league win is not too much to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I agree with you Delldays surely a win just one miserable league win is not too much to ask. Absolutely - but my point is that it is going to come a hell of a lot quicker if we support them rather than criticise and boo them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 (edited) yes...that was a one off..they have been losing a few...just lost their manager, new manager in, losing players, no ambition shown from their chairman, we bought their captain which they were not happy about...they were down to 10 men for along time so IMO, pretty poor result I reckon (just reckon) that more people would agree than dont and... whilst I sympathise a little with your frustration don't you think we too have: New manager, new players, lost good players, getting over the incompetence, lack of ability and ambition by an ex loser of a chairman and are still in the process of bringing a brand new team together? We didnt win, we didnt lose. Under Wotte and Lowe's legacy players in the same scenario we would have lost. Improving gradually in my books. Edited 6 September, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Absolutely - but my point is that it is going to come a hell of a lot quicker if we support them rather than criticise and boo them Well they wont improve if they think they are playing OK I would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 September, 2009 yes...that was a one off..they have been losing a few...just lost their manager, new manager in, losing players, no ambition shown from their chairman, we bought their captain which they were not happy about...they were down to 10 men for along time so IMO, pretty poor result I reckon (just reckon) that more people would agree than dont lost two out of six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Absolutely - but my point is that it is going to come a hell of a lot quicker if we support them rather than criticise and boo them I agree wholeheartedly. Time to get behind the team, manager and owner - the reason? These guys actually deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 lost two out of six Won none out of six is what really counts win points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Well they wont improve if they think they are playing OK I would have thought. I'm pretty sure they know they're not getting good enough results....they don't need people to boo for them to know that. Booing them will do NOTHING. Apart from have a negative influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I can see both sides of the argument - the patient and impatient. The patient side is my head, the impatient side is my heart. The frustrated, impatient side of me came out yesterday. We played a team down to 10 men for an hour, and couldnt even create decent chances as they tired. The patient side of me is a bit more in control today, but dammit, why do other teams seem to respond to new management and new players a helluva lost faster and more markedly than we do ? There is a f**king MALAISE and MENTAL BLOCK at SFC, and considering the board, team management and players have all changed, I dont have a f**king clue what is causing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I can see both sides of the argument - the patient and impatient. The patient side is my head, the impatient side is my heart. The frustrated, impatient side of me came out yesterday. We played a team down to 10 men for an hour, and couldnt even create decent chances as they tired. The patient side of me is a bit more in control today, but dammit, why do other teams seem to respond to new management and new players a helluva lost faster and more markedly than we do ? There is a f**king MALAISE and MENTAL BLOCK at SFC, and considering the board, team management and players have all changed, I dont have a f**king clue what is causing it. The fans haven't changed. That's not a dig at you by the way. Just throwing something out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 Only lost 2 out of six, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 The fans haven't changed. That's not a dig at you by the way. Just throwing something out there. And EVERY season, the club gets a clean slate from the fans (an even cleaner one this season - 10,000 STs in less than a month) but still lets the fans down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 And EVERY season, the club gets a clean slate from the fans (an even cleaner one this season - 10,000 STs in less than a month) but still lets the fans down. And every season it takes 5 minutes for fans to start booing at games and coming on here and criticising, throwing the blame at people, etc etc. I do honestly think that a change of attitude from the fans will help a lot. Yes, I know, I KNOW, we haven't had a lot to cheer and we've gone through a lot of bad times recently. The whole club has changed, but our opinions of the club haven't changed accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 September, 2009 Share Posted 6 September, 2009 I can see both sides of the argument - the patient and impatient. The patient side is my head, the impatient side is my heart. The frustrated, impatient side of me came out yesterday. We played a team down to 10 men for an hour, and couldnt even create decent chances as they tired. The patient side of me is a bit more in control today, but dammit, why do other teams seem to respond to new management and new players a helluva lost faster and more markedly than we do ? There is a f**king MALAISE and MENTAL BLOCK at SFC, and considering the board, team management and players have all changed, I dont have a f**king clue what is causing it. Research has been undertaken on this that suggests this is not true. Often, the team wins initially and then reverts back to previous form. That's why the Sunderland and Palace effect is so rare. Take Spurs last season. Arry won his first game, and then they slipped back into the relegation zone and evenutally pulled away after a worrying few months. If Spurs board had pulled the trigger then (as Charlton did with Dowie and Reed) they wouldn't be top of the table now, they would probably be in the league above us. Most people around me (and me) were immensely p!55ed off that we couldn't win yesterday. But reflection tells you things are getting better - a solid defence, untroubled, a good midfield who before the sending off bossed the game, but the final third was poor. No width and no pace. That's what the bloke in charge is now trying to address. I can't see what else he is supposed to do? Buy more players more quickly?? It's hard after so many years of pain, some people just can't cope. I am convinced that Pardew is doing the right things. And results follow. If he was doing the wrong things, I would be seriously worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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