RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 (edited) We all know that we have seen good support this year, but here are a few numbers to back it up. Our average attendance this year has been 18,781, with a highest attendance of 20,103. Only Norwich and Leeds have a higher average attendance than us. Compared to next week's opponents Yeovil, you clearly see we have one of the largest fan bases in the league, as Yeovil's average attendance is 4,327 and their highest attendance has been 4,807. We have a higher average attendance than 14 of the 24 Championship sides, including Reading, whose average attendance is 17,833. Let's keep up this good support. EDIT: It also seems that our average attendance of 18,781 is higher than P*rtsmouth's average attendance, which is around the 17,600 mark. Edited 13 September, 2009 by RedAndWhite91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 (edited) How many of us were there yesterday - is there an official number anywhere (not on Saints or Charlton OS) ? Edited 13 September, 2009 by RonManager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteforpedro Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Overall attendace yeasterday was just over 19,000 I think. The away section looked pretty full from where I was, maybe around 2,800? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agboola Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 I understand a premiership club where the fans are renowned for giving great support has had attendances of 17,510; 17,826 and 17,564 in the league and 6,645 in the Carling Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 We ar not that far off the following either Ave att: Wigan 17300 Portsm 17600 Burnley 20200 Brum 20800 Bolton 22400 So thats all pretty good really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 and skates get 17,000 when they give 1,000 away and do kids for £1 - in premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 and skates get 17,000 when they give 1,000 away and do kids for £1 - in premiershipha ha ha great i like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 We ar not that far off the following either Ave att: Wigan 17300 Portsm 17600 Burnley 20200 Brum 20800 Bolton 22400 So thats all pretty good really Not far off?! Our average attendance is better than P*rtsmouth's and Wigan's!!! I didn't see Premiership average attendances earlier before, but this is great news... So much for P*mpey have such great support, hah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 All the above posts produce true conclusions but over the past 5 years whose support has been eroded the most? The current stats only tell half the story as regards average levels of support and how that average has been maintained over the past 5 years or more. We are behind Leeds and Norwich and tbh we are well behind them and with regards to Norwich that is unacceptable IMO. As for Leeds they are a far bigger club and if god forbid we are still in this league for the same length of time as them then do you feel our average will be as 'good'? We have a very loyal fan base of which I am very proud but not much to crow about when it comes down to assessing our level of support I think that awards goes to Norwich and Derby and both in the bottom reaches of our peer group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Sorry , but who gives a ****. We're on minus 5 points. Poopey are in the Premiership. To qoute the great man Tony Wilson, "Who cares how many people saw it?...How many peolple were at the last supper?" RIP Tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Sorry , but who gives a ****. We're on minus 5 points. Poopey are in the Premiership. To qoute the great man Tony Wilson, "Who cares how many people saw it?...How many peolple were at the last supper?" RIP Tone Sorry, but not every thread has to be about 'when are we going to win'. I saw some figures, thought I'd post it, after all, that's what a forum is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 All the above posts produce true conclusions but over the past 5 years whose support has been eroded the most? The current stats only tell half the story as regards average levels of support and how that average has been maintained over the past 5 years or more. We are behind Leeds and Norwich and tbh we are well behind them and with regards to Norwich that is unacceptable IMO. As for Leeds they are a far bigger club and if god forbid we are still in this league for the same length of time as them then do you feel our average will be as 'good'? We have a very loyal fan base of which I am very proud but not much to crow about when it comes down to assessing our level of support I think that awards goes to Norwich and Derby and both in the bottom reaches of our peer group. You are obviously going to get the fans who seem to think they are too good for League One and won't attend, which is a shame, but the point I was making is that, right now, in League One, our average attendance is third best in the league, higher than Championship clubs, and even some Premiership. It would be nice to have the 30,000 inside St. Mary's like we witnessed in the Premiership, but that isn't going to happen right now, because we are League One, and we are on minus 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Sorry, but not every thread has to be about 'when are we going to win'. I saw some figures, thought I'd post it, after all, that's what a forum is about. Sorry mate I may have been a bit harsh, it all just seems a bit desperate though. We're playing crap so we just cling on to some stats that show we would be the sixth worst supported team in the premiership or something. It doesn't make it any easier when I've paid 26 quid to be bored to death. In fact in a funny sort of way it makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Sorry mate I may have been a bit harsh, it all just seems a bit desperate though. We're playing crap so we just cling on to some stats that show we would be the sixth worst supported team in the premiership or something. It doesn't make it any easier when I've paid 26 quid to be bored to death. In fact in a funny sort of way it makes it worse. It's alright, I didn't mean to make the thread sound desperate or nothing, our current performances didn't enter my mind when posting the thread, just wanted to share my opinions is all. Our performances are frustrating, 5 draws out of 7, but I'm confident we will beat Yeovil. If we don't, then there is reason to start getting desperate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 You are obviously going to get the fans who seem to think they are too good for League One and won't attend, which is a shame, but the point I was making is that, right now, in League One, our average attendance is third best in the league, higher than Championship clubs, and even some Premiership. It would be nice to have the 30,000 inside St. Mary's like we witnessed in the Premiership, but that isn't going to happen right now, because we are League One, and we are on minus 5. I agree but 20,000+ should really be the norm given the average attendance in our Premiership days and trying to suggest we currently have fantastic support based on the fact we have new owners and risen from the dead when frankly we should be above Norwich and regularly beating Leeds. If we don't increase our support we will not have the amount of funds needed to significantly strengthen the squad to lift ourselves comfortably out of this league. 30,000 isn't going to happen right now but I think a comfortable average above 20,000 should if we are to repay some faith to Mr Liebherr. Reality is a 7-1 thumping like Norwich had to endure will wipe 1 or 2,000 off our next gate whether we are +5 or -5pts. People seem more interested in celebrating Pompey's apparent demise than celebrating we have a rebuild to support having resurrected ourselves from the mire Pompey are sinking into. Our attendance stats actually look quite poor whichever way you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Skates and Newcastle drop more when they do bady. Enjoy a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 It's alright, I didn't mean to make the thread sound desperate or nothing, our current performances didn't enter my mind when posting the thread, just wanted to share my opinions is all. Our performances are frustrating, 5 draws out of 7, but I'm confident we will beat Yeovil. If we don't, then there is reason to start getting desperate! You've inspired me to be more positive. I'll be there on Saturday surounded by the usual mugs..but like you I've got a feeling we're goimg to hammer Yeovil..heres hoping anyway. Good on ya fellah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Generally speaking, the worse we do as a club, the more I feel I have to be there, and the more fiercely loyal I become. Do I require help in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 I agree but 20,000+ should really be the norm given the average attendance in our Premiership days and trying to suggest we currently have fantastic support based on the fact we have new owners and risen from the dead when frankly we should be above Norwich and regularly beating Leeds. If we don't increase our support we will not have the amount of funds needed to significantly strengthen the squad to lift ourselves comfortably out of this league. 30,000 isn't going to happen right now but I think a comfortable average above 20,000 should if we are to repay some faith to Mr Liebherr. Reality is a 7-1 thumping like Norwich had to endure will wipe 1 or 2,000 off our next gate whether we are +5 or -5pts. People seem more interested in celebrating Pompey's apparent demise than celebrating we have a rebuild to support having resurrected ourselves from the mire Pompey are sinking into. Our attendance stats actually look quite poor whichever way you look at it. 20,000 should be the norm yes, but whichever way you look at it we are minus five points in League One. It will put less committed people off. The sort of people who like the day out but don't like the dramas of following a lower league club. Which is what we are now. That's reality. Again I agree regarding repaying the faith to Liebherr, and getting the gate receipt up. Liebherr isn't going to want to keep dipping into his own personal funds for transfers all the time, the general running of the club is helped by ticket sales. I like celebrating P*rtsmouth's demise because of the sh!t I received when we were in their position! At the same time, I am supporting our club as best I can, and it is important others do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 You've inspired me to be more positive. I'll be there on Saturday surounded by the usual mugs..but like you I've got a feeling we're goimg to hammer Yeovil..heres hoping anyway. Good on ya fellah! Glad to hear it! We are certainly due a win. From Yeovil's perspective I think they are about to play us just at the wrong time! I'll be there, and hopefully we'll get a good gate and can bump up our average attendance a bit Enjoy it mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 20,000 should be the norm yes, but whichever way you look at it we are minus five points in League One. It will put less committed people off. The sort of people who like the day out but don't like the dramas of following a lower league club. Which is what we are now. That's reality. Again I agree regarding repaying the faith to Liebherr, and getting the gate receipt up. Liebherr isn't going to want to keep dipping into his own personal funds for transfers all the time, the general running of the club is helped by ticket sales. I like celebrating P*rtsmouth's demise because of the sh!t I received when we were in their position! At the same time, I am supporting our club as best I can, and it is important others do as well. I agree with the analysis but in line with Ron Manager's post above I prefer the siege mentality and when we are doing badly I feel I must be there to help man the barricades (so to speak) and wish others were not so easily put off by the dramas of folloiwng a league one team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Generally speaking, the worse we do as a club, the more I feel I have to be there, and the more fiercely loyal I become. Do I require help in any way? No help required, I'm exactly the same! Got my first season ticket this year... And my support is stronger than ever! Good on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 I agree with the analysis but in line with Ron Manager's post above I prefer the siege mentality and when we are doing badly I feel I must be there to help man the barricades (so to speak) and wish others were not so easily put off by the dramas of folloiwng a league one team. Yes siege mentality is good as I feel that is a positive mentality, and I do feel the same, exactly the same as what you and Ron Manager have outlined regarding support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 I agree but 20,000+ should really be the norm given the average attendance in our Premiership days and trying to suggest we currently have fantastic support based on the fact we have new owners and risen from the dead when frankly we should be above Norwich and regularly beating Leeds. If we don't increase our support we will not have the amount of funds needed to significantly strengthen the squad to lift ourselves comfortably out of this league. 30,000 isn't going to happen right now but I think a comfortable average above 20,000 should if we are to repay some faith to Mr Liebherr. Reality is a 7-1 thumping like Norwich had to endure will wipe 1 or 2,000 off our next gate whether we are +5 or -5pts. People seem more interested in celebrating Pompey's apparent demise than celebrating we have a rebuild to support having resurrected ourselves from the mire Pompey are sinking into. Our attendance stats actually look quite poor whichever way you look at it. whichever way you look at it our attendances are pretty good. Leeds have a FAR bigger fanbase. Norwich are a lesson to the others. We are UP on last season, when we were in a higher league.When we are on a run we will get terrific crowds. And EVERYBODY(except norwich ) loses 25% when they drop out of the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 We all know that we have seen good support this year, but here are a few numbers to back it up. Our average attendance this year has been 18,781, with a highest attendance of 20,103. Only Norwich and Leeds have a higher average attendance than us. There is no way we should be looking to compare ourselves to Leeds, nor should we be concerned that their support outstrips ours. They are a substantially bigger club than us, up there in the realms of the Man City who manage to pull in big numbers irrespective of the division their team plays in. Norwich is a good example of how a Club can manage to attract decent attendances, and everything that is being done there is almost a complete opposite of the shambles we have seen in recent years (at it's worse under the Lowe regime(s)). The relationship between the Club, it's owners/Directors and the supporters is one of trust, respect and mutual support, something that Lowe lost in the latter stages of his tenure. On top of that they have an imaginative pricing and renewal policy, and by March of this year (when they were still in the Championship) they had already managed to get 18,000 renewals. In recent years, Norwich have been a beacon to others with regards the relationship between a club and its supporters. So whilst aspiring to emulate the success Norwich have had in respecting, attracting and retaining their supporters, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that our attendances are at a decent level (as noted by the fact we beat many in the Championship, some in the Premiership) and that they have gone up year on year (remember those terrible attendances under jan & Lowe), despite being relegated, almost going out of existence and not selling season tickets until the season was almost upon us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 There is no way we should be looking to compare ourselves to Leeds, nor should we be concerned that their support outstrips ours. They are a substantially bigger club than us, up there in the realms of the Man City who manage to pull in big numbers irrespective of the division their team plays in. Norwich is a good example of how a Club can manage to attract decent attendances, and everything that is being done there is almost a complete opposite of the shambles we have seen in recent years (at it's worse under the Lowe regime(s)). The relationship between the Club, it's owners/Directors and the supporters is one of trust, respect and mutual support, something that Lowe lost in the latter stages of his tenure. On top of that they have an imaginative pricing and renewal policy, and by March of this year (when they were still in the Championship) they had already managed to get 18,000 renewals. In recent years, Norwich have been a beacon to others with regards the relationship between a club and its supporters. So whilst aspiring to emulate the success Norwich have had in respecting, attracting and retaining their supporters, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that our attendances are at a decent level (as noted by the fact we beat many in the Championship, some in the Premiership) and that they have gone up year on year (remember those terrible attendances under jan & Lowe), despite being relegated, almost going out of existence and not selling season tickets until the season was almost upon us. Really good post and credit to Norwich for the numbers they have acheived, but given the events of the last few years not comparible. I think we are doing ok on the numbers front considering we havent had a win yet, but a couple of wins and it will rise even further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 There is no way we should be looking to compare ourselves to Leeds, nor should we be concerned that their support outstrips ours. They are a substantially bigger club than us, up there in the realms of the Man City who manage to pull in big numbers irrespective of the division their team plays in. Norwich is a good example of how a Club can manage to attract decent attendances, and everything that is being done there is almost a complete opposite of the shambles we have seen in recent years (at it's worse under the Lowe regime(s)). The relationship between the Club, it's owners/Directors and the supporters is one of trust, respect and mutual support, something that Lowe lost in the latter stages of his tenure. On top of that they have an imaginative pricing and renewal policy, and by March of this year (when they were still in the Championship) they had already managed to get 18,000 renewals. In recent years, Norwich have been a beacon to others with regards the relationship between a club and its supporters. So whilst aspiring to emulate the success Norwich have had in respecting, attracting and retaining their supporters, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that our attendances are at a decent level (as noted by the fact we beat many in the Championship, some in the Premiership) and that they have gone up year on year (remember those terrible attendances under jan & Lowe), despite being relegated, almost going out of existence and not selling season tickets until the season was almost upon us. Nice post Steve, not sure who it was aimed at though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Really good post and credit to Norwich for the numbers they have acheived, but given the events of the last few years not comparible. I think we are doing ok on the numbers front considering we havent had a win yet, but a couple of wins and it will rise even further I always find it strange why people get all upset at others success, in this case Norwich's success in maintaining their levels of support. Norwich's success in maintaining their fanbase should be applauded and seen as something we should aspire to, not necessarily as a stick to beat ourselves with. IMHO their success has been more to do with the commitment, forward thinking and respect shown by the Club itself (something that has been sadly lacking down here for a while) and something their supporters have responded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 I always find it strange why people get all upset at others success, in this case Norwich's success in maintaining their levels of support. Norwich's success in maintaining their fanbase should be applauded and seen as something we should aspire to, not necessarily as a stick to beat ourselves with. IMHO their success has been more to do with the commitment, forward thinking and respect shown by the Club itself (something that has been sadly lacking down here for a while) and something their supporters have responded to. Good analysis on Norwich but another club who went month's without a home win was Derby and who also had ownership issues but not I assume as grave as ours but unsettling nonetheless. Their support did not wane even though it wasn't until the arrival of Clough they pushed away from the CCC relegation zone last season. We can find many examples about clubs in our peer group who are better or worse supported than ourselves and in line with original post I think we should set our own standards as oppose to those of other clubs regardless of leagues and at the moment given our past support I personally wish we were achieveing higher gates not just this season but the last 3. Under new ownership and strong financial base that gives great hope for the future anything under 20k is a disappointment and an extra 2 or 3k is around an extra £100k I would estimate, taking into account bar and programme sales etc. That's roughly £2m over a season that you would hope would go straight in the transfer budget assuming Mr Liebherr maintains his father's beliefs and that you spend only what you earn. 18,000 may be ok or even good but measuring it by our own needs and standards then it is not quite good enough - a strong B and we need an A*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Statistics are funny old things and can prove almost whatever you want. Another interesting stat is how close to capacity teams are running at. We are running at 57% Leeds at 59% Norwich at 91% Charlton at 66% Palace who were relegated from prem with us are running at 60% Newcastle 75% Pompey at 85% There are 11 teams in L1 that do not even half fill their grounds!! Tranmere dont even reach 1/3rd full!!!! I remember a thread on here where people were predicting attendances for L1 and i dont think many were predicting more than 17000 most were on 10-15000 Considering our position and the actual performances on the pitch and no league wins I think 17000+ crowd is good. I cant imagine Cortese and Co budgetting for many more than that this year on average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 don't see the relevance of %'s - unless clubs are filling their grounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Statistics are funny old things and can prove almost whatever you want. Another interesting stat is how close to capacity teams are running at. We are running at 57% Leeds at 59% Norwich at 91% Charlton at 66% Palace who were relegated from prem with us are running at 60% Newcastle 75% Pompey at 85% There are 11 teams in L1 that do not even half fill their grounds!! Tranmere dont even reach 1/3rd full!!!! I remember a thread on here where people were predicting attendances for L1 and i dont think many were predicting more than 17000 most were on 10-15000 Considering our position and the actual performances on the pitch and no league wins I think 17000+ crowd is good. I cant imagine Cortese and Co budgetting for many more than that this year on average. A point very well made. It would be interesting to know what our break even point is with regard to crowd numbers, bearing in mind I think last year it was generally accepted to be around the 18k mark but of course we don't have any debt to service unless the club need to repay Mr Liebherr. Does anyone know? Hopefully the number is nearer 16k so anything above that is in some part providing a transfer pot for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 don't see the relevance of %'s - unless clubs are filling their grounds I think that is the whole point GM33 was making and the glass will be half full to some but half empty to others and stats and %'s can be provided to back either view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 A point very well made. It would be interesting to know what our break even point is with regard to crowd numbers, bearing in mind I think last year it was generally accepted to be around the 18k mark but of course we don't have any debt to service unless the club need to repay Mr Liebherr. Does anyone know? Hopefully the number is nearer 16k so anything above that is in some part providing a transfer pot for next season. I would have thought with Rasak gone the wage bill would have been reduced dramatiocally add to that the others gone and if Saga goes in jan even lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 and skates get 17,000 when they give 1,000 away and do kids for £1 - in premiership Would you pay a pound to go to Portsmouth? Premiership football or not, it's still Portsmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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