Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 All sportsmen accept that luck plays a part in their success. Why can't we accept that we might be unlucky occasionally? Alex Ferguson has a European Cup because John Terry couldn't score a penalty. Anyone who tells me Manchester United 'made that luck' is a fecking idiot. From what I've heard with all our chances and poor refereeing we were unlucky last night - I wasn't there I can't say. But I have seen us be unlucky. It happens. Can we not deal with it more maturely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Absolutely. I wouldn't mind another season in this league. Been great fun. As long as we can keep hold of our players though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA77 Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 If the ref had pointed to the spot when he should have we might have won easy. So yes we were unlucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 All sportsmen accept that luck plays a part in their success. Why can't we accept that we might be unlucky occasionally? Alex Ferguson has a European Cup because John Terry couldn't score a penalty. Anyone who tells me Manchester United 'made that luck' is a fecking idiot. From what I've heard with all our chances and poor refereeing we were unlucky last night - I wasn't there I can't say. But I have seen us be unlucky. It happens. Can we not deal with it more maturely? Nope. Double-figure on-target chances, none of them finding the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Nope. Double-figure on-target chances, none of them finding the spot. Are you saying that we can't finish? Despite being the league's second top scorers with the second best goal difference? The evidence doesn't support that view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 If the ref had pointed to the spot when he should have we might have won easy. So yes we were unlucky But then again we've had the same "good luck" on penalties not given ourselves, plus a couple of iffy ones that we've scored from and won the game subsequently. You just can't blame things on refs, we have a side that is vastly superior to Oldham's,we shouldn't need penalties to beat them.We have 3 strikers in our side who have scored nigh on 80 goals between them this season plus a couple of hot shot impact subs,still we couldn't score against a rubbish side. That's about tactics and fatigue and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 But then again we've had the same "good luck" on penalties not given ourselves, plus a couple of iffy ones that we've scored from and won the game subsequently. You just can't blame things on refs, we have a side that is vastly superior to Oldham's,we shouldn't need penalties to beat them.We have 3 strikers in our side who have scored nigh on 80 goals between them this season plus a couple of hot shot impact subs,still we couldn't score against a rubbish side. That's about tactics and fatigue and nothing else. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Not sure it was luck or bad luck. Just the weight of the challenge of us winning, what, eight games in a row to the end of the season. Just a bit too much to do in a short amount of time and the pressure told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2010 But then again we've had the same "good luck" on penalties not given ourselves, plus a couple of iffy ones that we've scored from and won the game subsequently. You just can't blame things on refs, we have a side that is vastly superior to Oldham's,we shouldn't need penalties to beat them.We have 3 strikers in our side who have scored nigh on 80 goals between them this season plus a couple of hot shot impact subs,still we couldn't score against a rubbish side. That's about tactics and fatigue and nothing else. Oh that's it, that's why every game goes to form. That's why tactics work every time. I bet that's how Bayern beat United... Feck me, why am I not a mutli-billionnaire placing all these football bets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Not sure it was luck or bad luck. Just the weight of the challenge of us winning, what, eight games in a row to the end of the season. Just a bit too much to do in a short amount of time and the pressure told. Quite possibly. Too keen, not thinking straight? Trying too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Quite possibly. Too keen, not thinking straight? Trying too hard. That's completely what it sounded like in the first half, especially, and then it snowballed in the second. But in the last minutes then it was (bad) luck as it was rattling around like a pinball. At the end of the day we couldn't have done much more last night, or this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Oh that's it, that's why every game goes to form. That's why tactics work every time. I bet that's how Bayern beat United... Feck me, why am I not a mutli-billionnaire placing all these football bets... Bayern bat United because against superior quality opposition they have learned to rely totally on Wayne Rooney, bit like us with Lambert. No Rooney= p*ss poor United Watch Lyon take Bayern apart, they are a solid all round team that plays football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Bayern bat United because against superior quality opposition they have learned to rely totally on Wayne Rooney, bit like us with Lambert. No Rooney= p*ss poor United Watch Lyon take Bayern apart, they are a solid all round team that plays football So United going 3-0 up was all part of Bayern's plan? Typical Germans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2010 By the way if the best manager in the world can make mistakes, why is ours not allowed to?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 By the way if the best manager in the world can make mistakes, why is ours not allowed to?? of course he is..just when anyone mentions it, the usual standard bearers jump down your throat and claim you want pardew out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2010 of course he is..just when anyone mentions it, the usual standard bearers jump down your throat and claim you want pardew out.. I can't speak for others, but it cheese me off that certain posters purely spout off about the mistakes he has made, as though we haven't played some fantastic football, won a trophy and finished a few points shy of automatic promotion, from the shambles he inherited... It really just beggars credibility and makes people look a bit dim, to be brutally honest. I have a vision of lots of bitter little men with penis envy, probably traffic wardens during their day job. Sorry, but that is genuinely how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 I can't speak for others, but it cheese me off that certain posters purely spout off about the mistakes he has made, as though we haven't played some fantastic football, won a trophy and finished a few points shy of automatic promotion, from the shambles he inherited... It really just beggars credibility and makes people look a bit dim, to be brutally honest. I have a vision of lots of bitter little men with penis envy, probably traffic wardens during their day job. Sorry, but that is genuinely how I feel. so, they cant mention mistakes without getting bashed on here..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 If bad luck very often strikes when you play teams in the bottom half of the table one could start suspecting that it isn't just bad luck, but something that maybe could be dealt with. These are all opposition teams (Brentford, Exeter etc.) likely to put ten men behind the ball and defend as resolutely as they can in the hope to get a 0-0 draw, or with plenty of luck get a win (Tranmere). We need to know how to deal with those teams as well as those who come to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 so, pitch, luck, refs, injuries, suspensions but NEVER pardew..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 so, pitch, luck, refs, injuries, suspensions but NEVER pardew..? so lets blame him. take to the streets again and get someone who will make it better WHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2010 If bad luck very often strikes when you play teams in the bottom half of the table one could start suspecting that it isn't just bad luck, but something that maybe could be dealt with. These are all opposition teams (Brentford, Exeter etc.) likely to put ten men behind the ball and defend as resolutely as they can in the hope to get a 0-0 draw, or with plenty of luck get a win (Tranmere). We need to know how to deal with those teams as well as those who come to play. Southend - won 3-1 Gillingham - won 4-1 Oldham - won 3-1 Doesn't really bear much testimony does it? And those were without looking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Just one of those games. Under normal circumstances 7 points from 3 games of which 2 were away is totally satisfactory. However, realistically needing to win every game was always going to be a very tall order so roll on next season when on the form we've shown more often than not we'll finish in the top 2 so let's enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 so lets blame him. take to the streets again and get someone who will make it better WHO haha...I wont bite:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2010 so, pitch, luck, refs, injuries, suspensions but NEVER pardew..? Of course he can be at fault. Was he last night? That's my point. Has he not done an excellent job? Depends on your standards. By most sane measures he has done at least a very good job. We might come up short in the play-off hunt, but if he ends up delivering our highest points total for 30 years and a trophy some people will still claim he could have done better and is at fauly for all the losses. Sure, so could Fergie, does that make him a bad manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Up until Markus came along, if we'd had no bad luck, we'd have had no luck atall. Sorry, feeling frivolous this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 haha...I wont bite:D oh go on be a devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 of course he is..just when anyone mentions it, the usual standard bearers jump down your throat and claim you want pardew out.. Well to be honest some people do seem to want him out ! Constructive criticism is fine but some of the posts about Pardew are just criticising for the sake of it and no wonder it seems some have a different agenda to the majority of us. Pardew invariably speaks well after every game and is not afraid to accept blame if he feels it appropriate. Nobody is perfect, Pardew is no exception but IMO he gets far more right than he gets wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Of course he can be at fault. Was he last night? That's my point. Has he not done an excellent job? Depends on your standards. By most sane measures he has done at least a very good job. We might come up short in the play-off hunt, but if he ends up delivering our highest points total for 30 years and a trophy some people will still claim he could have done better and is at fauly for all the losses. Sure, so could Fergie, does that make him a bad manager? everyone mentioned the ref, the luck..as soon as someone brings up (rightly too) the "subbing a sub" situation...they get slaughtered..just look at the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 haha...I wont bite:D Are you sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Southend - won 3-1 Gillingham - won 4-1 Oldham - won 3-1 Doesn't really bear much testimony does it? And those were without looking... Who said that we'll never beat them? If instead of looking at wins looks at the draws and losses and you will find Oldham, Brighton, Tranmere, Wycombe, Exeter, Brentford since the new year. (You will also find Swindon, but they were a good side on the night, and I mind very much less to lose points at the top sides, it is one of those things which happens.) I think the calamities against the bottom half are far too many to be bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Of course he can be at fault. Was he last night? That's my point. Has he not done an excellent job? Depends on your standards. By most sane measures he has done at least a very good job. We might come up short in the play-off hunt, but if he ends up delivering our highest points total for 30 years and a trophy some people will still claim he could have done better and is at fauly for all the losses. Sure, so could Fergie, does that make him a bad manager? If you mention Fergie then it is also worth mentioning that Man U won 23 of the 26 games against the bottom 13 last year and lost none. That how the title was won. I don't think any luck came into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 Of course he can be at fault. Was he last night? That's my point. Has he not done an excellent job? Depends on your standards. By most sane measures he has done at least a very good job. We might come up short in the play-off hunt, but if he ends up delivering our highest points total for 30 years and a trophy some people will still claim he could have done better and is at fauly for all the losses. Sure, so could Fergie, does that make him a bad manager? I think there are a few different choices that Pardew could have made last night. Personally I'd have liked to see James out wide putting crosses into Lambert and Barnard or Antonio coming on with a brief to run at the centre backs and scare the hell out of them. I'm not kidding myself that if either scenario had happened we would have got a result. Sometimes it just isn't to be and last might seemed like one of those nights; off days for a few players, a team that came here with no intention of winning and a **** poor set of officials. The proof's in the pudding though. If Pardew is the manager that SFC, Nicola Cortese and Uncle Marcus need then nights like last night will be few and far between. Pardew shouldn't be above criticism and there is a difference between saying 'I think he got that wrong' and 'I think he should go'. Some people on here don't seem to get that... Personally I'm enjoying the impact that Pardew is having on our club. It's a really good time to be a Saint and I hope that both continue for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA77 Posted 21 April, 2010 Share Posted 21 April, 2010 But then again we've had the same "good luck" on penalties not given ourselves, plus a couple of iffy ones that we've scored from and won the game subsequently. You just can't blame things on refs, we have a side that is vastly superior to Oldham's,we shouldn't need penalties to beat them.We have 3 strikers in our side who have scored nigh on 80 goals between them this season plus a couple of hot shot impact subs,still we couldn't score against a rubbish side. That's about tactics and fatigue and nothing else. we tried and tried and it wasn't meant to be. That's football. Sh*t happens. You can over analyze any game. After winning loads on the bounce you're always gonna have that off day. Simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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