Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Just playing devils advocate here, but I was wondering on who people think is the devil incarnate at the moment. Obviously Lowe made some big blunders, was arrogant, self promoting, never put his own money into the team and didn't care one bit about the fans. Cortese has come in, found us investment, and tried to implement new ideas for the fans. However, he has also sacked staff, is also very arrogant (probably to at least rival ol' rosey cheeks), removed the ST installment plan, nearly sacked a manager who did well, levied a tax on tickets, and now cancelled the Ted Bates trophy. I think people are harsher than they need to be on Lowe but that's my personal opinion, and if he had done the above people would be marching through the streets again. So, who's worse then? There's only one way to find out. FFFFIIIIIIGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 did cortese cancel the TBT...? staff move on in every line work work..someone even suggested that NC was "sacking people for fun".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If Cortese had been here when Lowe was here in the same financial situation, then I reckon we would have been considering some protests against him. Equally if Lowe had been in the position that Cortese is in now then many would be kissing his a*se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Thread prediction: 12 pages before the end of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I think Lowe prefers carpets and Cortese prefers laminate. That's the main difference I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If Cortese had been here when Lowe was here in the same financial situation, then I reckon we would have been considering some protests against him. Equally if Lowe had been in the position that Cortese is in now then many would be kissing his a*se. dont forget..many were kissing lowe arse around 2003..? it took quite a few years and relegation from the prem for people to properly turn against lowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 who would you rather have lowe or cortese..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I think Lowe prefers carpets and Cortese prefers laminate. That's the main difference I think. That and Cortese won't tolerate a broken swimming pool. All IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Thread prediction: 12 pages before the end of the week Actually, on reflection, make that 17 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Thread prediction: 12 pages before the end of the week I'm waiting for the first 'Lowe cost us 10 points last season for not putting us into Admin' fallacy. Just before anyone does, the bank foreclosed on the club with the overdraft having reduced to the levels agreed. It was the bank who changed their minds. He did put some Dutch jokers in chanrge though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I think Lowe prefers carpets s h a g pile? edit: swear filter on carpet types, FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 who would you rather have lowe or cortese..? Are we talking about just the men? Or the situation and finances which go with it? If the former it's a tough call IMO. At least I got answers from Ask Rupert even if I didn't agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 who would you rather have lowe or cortese..? Who knows, they are doing 2 completely different jobs. You can't compare them. What would Cortese be like running a PLC? What would Lowe have been like if he had the financial backing Cortese has? You can't compare. You can only compare how they treat/respect supporters, and Lowe ( as much as I didn't like him ) was 100 times better than Cortese on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 People will abuse you for that comment Stu but I tend to agree. Rupert always answered my questions even if I thought he was a smug and pompous tw*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Who knows, they are doing 2 completely different jobs. You can't compare them. What would Cortese be like running a PLC? What would Lowe have been like if he had the financial backing Cortese has? You can't compare. You can only compare how they treat/respect supporters, and Lowe ( as much as I didn't like him ) was 100 times better than Cortese on that front. you are right..you cant compare.. close this thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 People will abuse you for that comment Stu but I tend to agree. Rupert always answered my questions even if I thought he was a smug and pompous tw*t. so, you would prefer lowe here right now over cortese.. yes or no..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Cortese - close the thread now ffs....roll on the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 maybe....seeing as stu is "mates" with the mods...and is seemingly anti cortese..he could ask for a poll Who would you rather have as chairman of SFC in 2010.. Nicola Cortese or Rupert Lowe.. im not sure, could be a close call.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I'll make it easier for people..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I was wondering when you'd start this thread. I also wondered during all the ant-lowe pantomine when we'd get someone suggesting maybe he wasn't so bad afterall. I didn't think that would be when we were owned by a billionaire, with a good squad and odds on favourites for promotion though. What has any of that got to do with Cortese and his style of running the club? And why do those facts mean that Cortese cannot be criticised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Cortese without a doubt... He builds to a cohesive strategy and has a clear vision towards what must be achieved and by when ! Rupert's vision was nothing more than "Boss Eyed" in comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 What has any of that got to do with Cortese and his style of running the club? And why do those facts mean that Cortese cannot be criticised? everything....do you reckon anyone would push through changes like he does without the backing he has..? Cortese can be criticised..but when people say "NC has cancelled the TBT."...."NC is sacking people for fun" it makes it all hard to take seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 so, you would prefer lowe here right now over cortese.. yes or no..? I'm not sure. I don't think Rupert was as bad as many believed. I think he was very bad at running a club with hardly any money. What do you think are the good qualities that Cortese has brought to the role in the last couple of months that some other chairman with money could not have done? Serious question because it may make think again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I'm not sure. I don't think Rupert was as bad as many believed. I think he was very bad at running a club with hardly any money. What do you think are the good qualities that Cortese has brought to the role in the last couple of months that some other chairman with money could not have done? Serious question because it may make think again. oh my god.. (yes or no) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I'll make it easier for people..... Lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 oh my god.. (yes or no) Great. Fancy answeing my question? Or as always are you going to act in a ridiculous manner because someone has a different opinion to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Great. Fancy answeing my question? Or as always are you going to act in a ridiculous manner because someone has a different opinion to you. would you rather have Lowe running the club today..or Cortese..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Let`s not forget that Lowe was generally accepted by the fans for 7 or 8 years while things were going O.K. It was only really after the 2003 Cup Final that they really turned against him. I think that Cortese at least deserves this season to see whether his "unpopular" measures work or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Where did I say he couldn't be criticised? I said I didn't think we'd get any suggestion that lowe wasn't so bad while owned by a billionaire, odds on for promotion etc. You mentioned Cortese not me. If Lowe had carried on with the 2003 results I'm sure he could have been a **** and got away with it. If Cortese is to be hated then he'll need results all the time. But as yet I just see a lack of information rather than terrible treatment of the fans. We're the customers so I can't see Marcus liking us being alienated as a business strategy. Then wouldn't you agree that the lack of information amongst other things is a strange strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Mods: On a serious note, I think a poll might not be a bad idea on this. Might help get the whole thing out of people's system once and for all....perhaps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 would you rather have Lowe running the club today..or Cortese..? hypo....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Cortese without a doubt... He builds to a cohesive strategy and has a clear vision towards what must be achieved and by when ! Rupert's vision was nothing more than "Boss Eyed" in comparison Ruperts Vision took us to the FA Cup Final and our highest prem finish to go along with our relegation. Looks pretty boss eyed to me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 would you rather have Lowe running the club today..or Cortese..? I answered you in my other post. What positive things has Cortese put into place to engage with fans that Lowe did not have or which Lowe could not have done due to lack of money? I do believe we now have less communication and openness when more was promised when they took over. Just an observation is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I answered you in my other post. What positive things has Cortese put into place to engage with fans that Lowe did not have or which Lowe could not have done due to lack of money? I do believe we now have less communication and openness when more was promised when they took over. Just an observation is all. just simply say...cortese or lowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Mods: On a serious note, I think a poll might not be a bad idea on this. Might help get the whole thing out of people's system once and for all....perhaps.... In your dreams!! Can you see a poll pacifying DBP/SRS??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 TDD, it is impossible to compare either men because the financial situations are so different. Please answer the question in my last post. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 i answered you in my other post. What positive things has cortese put into place to engage with fans that lowe did not have or which lowe could not have done due to lack of money? I do believe we now have less communication and openness when more was promised when they took over. Just an observation is all. tdd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 TDD, it is impossible to compare either men because the financial situations are so different. Please answer the question in my last post. Thanks. then might as well close this thread and cortese wins hands down in every department for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 TDD, it is impossible to compare either men because the financial situations are so different. Please answer the question in my last post. Thanks. With respect, I think he's asking you who you would install as chairman now in today's situation rather than trying to compare the two in different circumstances. Perhaps the question would be clearer if posed as: "Would you replace Cortese with Lowe tomorrow?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 then might as well close this thread and cortese wins hands down in every department for me... What positive things has cortese put into place to engage with fans that lowe did not have or which lowe could not have done due to lack of money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 With respect, I think he's asking you who you would install as chairman now in today's situation rather than trying to compare the two in different circumstances. Perhaps the question would be clearer if posed as: "Would you replace Cortese with Lowe tomorrow?" But I cannot judge because I do not know how adept Lowe is at running the current SFC. I do think communication would be better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 then might as well close this thread and cortese wins hands down in every department for me... No attempt to answer the question? TDD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 What positive things has cortese put into place to engage with fans that lowe did not have or which lowe could not have done due to lack of money? lowe never had a lack of money...he over saw a team in europe, with the 10th largest turnover in the country.....do we really need to go over the old crud that lowe spun us.. you only seem happy to have your own ego massaged at the mo..rather than seeing how NC tenure pans out.. Lowe got a fair few year grace with the wider fan base... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 But I cannot judge because I do not know how adept Lowe is at running the current SFC. I do think communication would be better though. I agree, difficult if not impossible to "judge", but what about gut feel if push came to shove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 lowe never had a lack of money...he over saw a team in europe, with the 10th largest turnover in the country.....do we really need to go over the old crud that lowe spun us.. you only seem happy to have your own ego massaged at the mo..rather than seeing how NC tenure pans out.. Lowe got a fair few year grace with the wider fan base... Comparatively we were a small club with a ****ty little stadium. We never had the financial security with no debts we have now which means we can greatly outspend everyone in our division. The respective situations are totally different IMO. I'm still waiting for you to answer the question as to what Cortese has brought in to engage with fans better than Lowe. Lowe was a tw*t and had many faults, but in the area of communication he did better than Cortese is currently doing . When Cortese came in we were told that things would be open and transparent (I think that's what was said I can't quite remember!). Do you think things are more open and transparent now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I agree, difficult if not impossible to "judge", but what about gut feel if push came to shove? I think both would have good and bad points TBH. Certainly both of them could do with a PR advisor. Communication wise, Lowe wins hands down whereas Cortese has certainly brought a professionalism to things. No doubt some will be shocked by that last comment because they believe I am "anti-Cortese" or that I "hate" him. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 lowe never had a lack of money...he over saw a team in europe, with the 10th largest turnover in the country.....do we really need to go over the old crud that lowe spun us.. Lol, and you say Lowe spun it to his advantage. We got into the UEFA Cup, and went out to Steaua. We probably made all of £1m out of that jaunt into Europe. Enough for Neil McCann. We spent money, just ended up being on cr@p because Strachan had a very poor record when it came to transfers. Do you not remember the cr@p that he brought in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 When Cortese came in we were told that things would be open and transparent (I think that's what was said I can't quite remember!). I don't think he did, but the fans charter (or whatever it was called) signaled an intention to act in a certain way. 12 months later we all now know it was a hollow gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 You see, the majority of the poor decisions that I believe have been made, I reckon I could stomach them if we had had explanations for them. It isn't being spoon fed info when there is no need, it's when things like the installment plan and the Ted Bates Trophy are taken away without any explanation from the OS. When the Ticket Office are kept in the dark about ticket issues then I don't think that's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I believe things are more transparent...IMO, the booking fee is just that... installment plans gone to cover costs someone even said yesterday that they would rather the club "try and pass something off" when explaining something..IE, happy for the club to lie if it sounds alright just so they got that warm fuzzy feeling.. football fans are the most precious bunch you can meet....IMO, the honesty from the club is far more refreshing than lowe waving letters from chris iwellumo...or saying sturrocks job is safe for him only to leave the next day..? can you REALLY believe lowe and all those managers..? really... why did pearson leave..? lowe must have told you..? did you really believe the "dutch duo"..? i did for a while..what a bad choice that was.. yes, honest lowe...that was his nickname Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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