Cheats

[Mole]

What's everyones thoughts on players that cheat?

 

Personally i hate it when opposition players dive and feign injury, but what about when it's one of our players doing it and winning us a penalty?

 

I remember back in 94 when we played away at Norwich we were 3-1 down and one of our players (can't remember who without watching the video) went down like a sack of spuds and won us a penalty and we then went on to win 5-4 and stay up.

 

Perhaps cheating techniques should be taught by our coaches.

[Bourno]

Personally I hate it. Yes it may get us a penalty or two, but it makes me feel really uncomfortable. I would often berate Pahars as he was always going down. I prefer to see them stay on their feet and keep going. On many occassions I am sure that this would actually have led to a goal.

 

I will berate a cheat, but still celebrate the goal that comes from the subsequent penalty.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I like it

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I basketball, its part of the game to sucker the opposition into "fouls" which were completely unintentional, and barely detectable.

 

The football equivalent is falling over in the penalty area at any tackle.

 

Just accept it as part of the game. Referees, wise up to it, and penalise faking with yellows, or a red if a player does it twice.

[badgerx16]

Did you see the one in the Arse game the other night, rolling around in 'agony' only to jump up and sprint back as the counter attack raced past him.

 

I don't think it should be accepted as part of the game, nor do I believe that refs even try to stamp it out, it has become a tolerated part of the money making machine that is modern football - over paid prima-donnas acting like spoilt brats, knowing that their managers will never even try to get them to stop, ( it's not as if Arsene Whinger ever actually sees it happening ).

[Fowllyd]

I basketball, its part of the game to sucker the opposition into "fouls" which were completely unintentional, and barely detectable.

 

The football equivalent is falling over in the penalty area at any tackle.

 

Just accept it as part of the game. Referees, wise up to it, and penalise faking with yellows, or a red if a player does it twice.

 

Yes, they even have the phrase 'drawing the foul' in basketball - which is a strictly non-contact sport, of course. I can't help feeling that more cards need to be brandished at divers; the problem is that some players are so adept at doing it (a certain Mr C Ronaldo springs - or indeed tumbles - to mind) that the dive can only be spotted for certain on a replay. But I think a useful rule of thumb would be to say that if no foul is given, but the fall/roll was spectacular, a booking should ensue. Refs may need to get a few wrong (inevitable anyway) and risk managers' ire in order to discourage the practice. So it won't happen then!

[eelpie]

An aspect of the game that I hate is wrestling and shirt pulling. Refs need to stamp this out.

[ozzmeister]

How much did everyone enjoy Owens dive against the argiesduring the world cup which got us a penalty.

[Brussels Saint]

For me its a cultural thing, I hate it when I see British players diving etc. as culturally this has never been considered "decent" behaviour, however when foreign players do it, I understand it. Many foreign cultures in a sporting context, celebrate the skill in decieving an opponent and consider it to be an acceptable art, even encouraged. Its unfair to expect foreign players to alter behaviours ingrained into the way they learnt the game...........You could argue that as they are being paid in the UK, they should conform to their host country, but in which case then, should they not just hump the ball forward aimlessly with a lot of grit and passion too........?

[Window Cleaner]

What's everyones thoughts on players that cheat?

 

 

 

Perhaps cheating techniques should be taught by our coaches.

 

 

 

Do you seriously believe that they aren't.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I hate it when the opposition does it, but love it when Skacel does it.

[Saints67]

An aspect of the game that I hate is wrestling and shirt pulling. Refs need to stamp this out.

 

I cannot condone referees resorting to this level of brutality. The game's gone mad you know.

[Sundance Beast]

 

Perhaps cheating techniques should be taught by our coaches.

 

They are in my experience especially in the role of defender vs attacker and vice versa at set pieces. Backing in and planting a 'firm heel' on your opponents toes is a good one and goes easily unnoticed and may give you a bit of extra time and space over your marker. Same as shirt holding, low around the waist line, restricts movement both forward and up and easily done on the ref's blind side. They all do it and it's not self-taught it's deliberate and coached as part of the 'game' IMO.

 

Is it any different than the verbal abuse that goes on at the crease in cricket in an attempt to unsettle the batsman? Perhaps we should have microphones concealed in the goalposts and around the pitch.

 

Cheating, is fair game until something is done about it but you would end up with fewer players on the pitch than off it, if you took the hardline it should merit. Morally is it any different to shoplifting, benefit cheats, fraud, etc? Trouble is if the game tried to stamp it out you would maybe get a more polished and stylish game, a football masterclass but equally less enthralling and entertaining. Be a bit like a form of team tennis with one group of very classy players dominating the game - yawn - we need a little cheating to give us also-rans a chance and spice it up.

[Alain Perrin]

I don't know what irks me more, cheating... or agreeing with Stanley

 

Two things that annoy me:

 

1) TV Commentators saying "oh the ref bought that one" or similar. Blaming the ref for falling for the deceipt, rather than the player that made the dive.

 

2) The delay in punishment - the FA takes too long to take action over players misdemeanors (both on and off the pitch). When you hear about a fine for a game that happened months ago it is like punishing a puppy for weeing on your floor yesterday (they don't learn).

 

I'd do the following I'd have a panel that sat on Monday morning and reviewed the weekends fixtures for contencious decisions (whether or not they'd made it in to the referees report). I'd include in that any diving / chat back / failing to go to the ref and punish accordingly. If something was a game changer I wouldn't change the result, but I would double the punishment on the offending player.

 

I'd also not fine on sums, but on a weekly salary multiplier. Sky could then televise John Terry cry as he has to pay a £500K fine for backchatting the ref.

 

It would soon stop it.

 

ps. if you wanted to really get it to work, everyone in the team should be fined, in a kind of whole class detention principle!

[Flyer]

Heres how they stamp it out.

 

a 3 game ban based on video evidence, every game is reviewed and a band is given even if there is contact and a player choses to go down. Thats still cheating and is not a foul.

 

Any player who needs the game stopped for treatment has to be subbed, that will stop all the rolling around as the play will either go on or he will have to go off if the refs stops it.

 

Its so easy to stop it but the people in charge are so clueless that it will only get worse as every tournament there is a new thing to crack down on that encourages even more diving and cards to the opposition.

[Flyer]

Should read "ban" of course but I cant edit it.

[Mole]

When a defender brings down a centre forward in the box it's an automatic red card. I think it should be an automatic red card if a player is deemed to have dived in the box, a yellow if it's outside the box.

[Big Bad Bob]

When a defender brings down a centre forward in the box it's an automatic red card. I think it should be an automatic red card if a player is deemed to have dived in the box, a yellow if it's outside the box.

 

Would never work, Andy Gray would just whinge about how the ref is ruining the game by giving out so many cards.

 

Just like he did the other day when the Man City players kept getting yellow carded for encroachment when the Hull player was trying to take the free kicks.

 

IMHO the only wau the players will learn is if they get sent off, I don't care if it 'ruins the game' for the pundits. The players will soon learn and stop doing it. But then I am aspiring some levels of nouse to the players..

Edited 28 November, 2008 by Big Bad Bob

[eurosaint]

Any player found diving/cheating should be banned and forced to sit in the dugout wearing an orange boiler suit for the next 3 games !!

Ps. Come back Maggie, all is forgiven !!