Mole Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 If Leon and Lawrie had given us Portvliet and Wotte would you be critical of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 If Leon and Lawrie had given us Portvliet and Wotte would you be critical of them?I donrt count mysaelf as a Lowe luvvie, I count myself as a fan of the club, but yes Jan definately.The idea of reducing costs by playing the youth no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 If Leon and Lawrie had given us Portvliet and Wotte would you be critical of them? Not if was instead of Gorman and Dodd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 What they would have done is accused Lawrie's son of feathering his own nest. What would people have said if Lawrie signed another Manager's son who was injured and not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I'd like to think I'd have some understanding as to why we are where we are. I'd like to think I'd applaud trying to recover financially by playing youth. But yes I would be critical of them over Jan because it didn't get the results. Personally I'd like to reserve judgement on Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 No...try this one. If Crouch had come into the club, for a second time, having got the club relegated and divided the fan base. Then commenced to act in his second tenure, exactly the same way as in his first tenure. Then set about ridding the club of anyone who had spoken out against him....ridiculed fellow shareholders...ignored the fanbase(his cashcow), and insisted on installing his fantacy setup, with totally unknown coaches from abroad, and in the same process, getting rid of a young and upcoming English manager............................................would you be wanting to protest????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 What they would have done is accused Lawrie's son of feathering his own nest. What would people have said if Lawrie signed another Manager's son who was injured and not good enough. I suppose Id wait until Id seen him play beore making judgement, tghere again if I was so wishing for everything to fail just to prove my point Id criticise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 What they would have done is accused Lawrie's son of feathering his own nest. What would people have said if Lawrie signed another Manager's son who was injured and not good enough. I think Stoke are paying us to keep him off the dole actually, sort of kickback for all the cheap players of ours that have found their way there. Consider him as a sort of exchange student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 No...try this one. If Crouch had come into the club, for a second time, having got the club relegated and divided the fan base. Then commenced to act in his second tenure, exactly the same way as in his first tenure. Then set about ridding the club of anyone who had spoken out against him....ridiculed fellow shareholders...ignored the fanbase(his cashcow), and insisted on installing his fantacy setup, with totally unknown coaches from abroad, and in the same process, getting rid of a young and upcoming English manager............................................would you be wanting to protest????? we were only 20 minutes from finding out last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I think Stoke are paying us to keep him off the dole actually, sort of kickback for all the cheap players of ours that have found their way there. Consider him as a sort of exchange student. I remember my Dad got me a part time job with his mate 35 years ago........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I donrt count mysaelf as a Lowe luvvie, I count myself as a fan of the club, but yes Jan definately.The idea of reducing costs by playing the youth no. But you were up for given the Dutch management a go back in August. So, why would you have felt differently if Crouch had made that appointment. You should've been 'critical' of Lowe back then and you should be criticising him now. He's ballsed it up 'again'. There is no excuse, the guy is a liability. Stop pussy footing around and get behind the Lowe out campaign, there is nowhere else to go, Lowes had it, he's washed up, a has been and now this fan base needs to unite by ousting Lowe and getting behind whoever takes up the poison chalice. How much worse can it get? Surely our perilous position must tell you this, surely the lights have come on now, Lowe must go. See you at the next march... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 we were only 20 minutes from finding out last season. :confused::confused::confused::confused:sorry...........are you saying Crouch done all that?:confused::confused::confused::confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I remember my Dad got me a part time job with his mate 35 years ago........ Probably cost him a couple of packets of Woodbines and a few pints though ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 we were only 20 minutes from finding out last season. nick this was a question for The Lowe Luvvies...Your not meant to answer this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 nick this was a question for The Lowe Luvvies...Your not meant to answer this question. Ah!!!, maybe he forgot which face he had showing;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 question who are these lowe loveys, oh i get it must be those who keep posting about him all the time:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 we were only 20 minutes from finding out last season.Nick, you claim that you're pro-club. So why do you sometimes defend the indefensible? Is it to be different from the main crowd? We need to recognise that all three major share holding groups are all equally to blame for the mess the club is in today. The only way forward is for them to all sell-up, unite or lead us into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 :confused::confused::confused::confused:sorry...........are you saying Crouch done all that?:confused::confused::confused::confused: Crouch made decisions which had an effect on the team, just as Lowe and other CEOs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 question who are these lowe loveys, oh i get it must be those who keep posting about him all the time:D Spot on. I think there are very few people here (if any at the moment) who qualify as being a "Lowe Luvvie" but it seems if you are not prepared to string him up from the nearest lamp post that is what you are. Go figure. I expect it was the same in the Middle Ages. If you tried to point out the lack of logic in the whole ducking stool debacle you were probably burnt at the stake for being a witch too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Crouch made decisions which had an effect on the team, just as Lowe and other CEOs do. Keep up SOG, I was responding to a post by nick...........how do you get the above statement, out of this.... No...try this one. If Crouch had come into the club, for a second time, having got the club relegated and divided the fan base. Then commenced to act in his second tenure, exactly the same way as in his first tenure. Then set about ridding the club of anyone who had spoken out against him....ridiculed fellow shareholders...ignored the fanbase(his cashcow), and insisted on installing his fantacy setup, with totally unknown coaches from abroad, and in the same process, getting rid of a young and upcoming English manager........................................... .would you be wanting to protest????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 If Leon and Lawrie had given us Portvliet and Wotte would you be critical of them? Everyone would have been equally as critical as they were when Pearson was appointed (including yourself) by Crouch. It doesn't matter who appointed Portvlieet, he was a big risk and has been found out to be a one trick pony. The jury is still out on Wotte. It's a catch 22 though, we need Wotte to be successful, but if he is and we stay up, then it does strengthen Lowe's position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Spot on. I think there are very few people here (if any at the moment) who qualify as being a "Lowe Luvvie" but it seems if you are not prepared to string him up from the nearest lamp post that is what you are. Go figure. I expect it was the same in the Middle Ages. If you tried to point out the lack of logic in the whole ducking stool debacle you were probably burnt at the stake for being a witch too!!! Were you there for the ducking and did you have a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Were you there for the ducking and did you have a go? I am old but not that old Ottery!!! So then, tell me, who are these Lowe Luvvies I hear tell about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 SOG.......own a mirror by chance!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Keep up SOG, I was responding to a post by nick...........how do you get the above statement, out of this.... No...try this one. If Crouch had come into the club, for a second time, having got the club relegated and divided the fan base. Then commenced to act in his second tenure, exactly the same way as in his first tenure. Then set about ridding the club of anyone who had spoken out against him....ridiculed fellow shareholders...ignored the fanbase(his cashcow), and insisted on installing his fantacy setup, with totally unknown coaches from abroad, and in the same process, getting rid of a young and upcoming English manager........................................... .would you be wanting to protest????? I don't do protest Ginge. If I don't like a decision I might have a moan but generally I support SFC and want the best for the club as a whole no matter who runs it. What gets up my bugle is the hypocracy. It just seems that if you name is Lowe it doesn't matter what you do are try to do you are damned, and in comparison, if anyone else ****s up that is okay because they are not Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I donrt count mysaelf as a Lowe luvvie, I count myself as a fan of the club, but yes Jan definately.The idea of reducing costs by playing the youth no. Isnt hindsight a wonderful thing ? You fully supported JPs appointment in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I don't do protest Ginge. If I don't like a decision I might have a moan but generally I support SFC and want the best for the club as a whole no matter who runs it. What gets up my bugle is the hypocracy. It just seems that if you name is Lowe it doesn't matter what you do are try to do you are damned, and in comparison, if anyone else ****s up that is okay because they are not Lowe. WTF medicine are you on.......how many posts do you have to read, before you understand what Lowe has done to this club. Wake up and smell the roses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 SOG.......own a mirror by chance!!!! Okay Ginge, I'll bite. Feel free and go and find the post where I nail my colours to Lowe's mast. In my book he is just a bloke doing a job. Since he has been here I have agreed with somethings and disagreed with others. Like most blokes doing a job I think he does what he thinks is right. Like most blokes doing a job what he thinks is right is not always seen as right by others. If that makes me a "Luvvie" sobeit if it makes you happy. So who are the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Everyone would have been equally as critical as they were when Pearson was appointed (including yourself) by Crouch. It doesn't matter who appointed Portvlieet, he was a big risk and has been found out to be a one trick pony. The jury is still out on Wotte. It's a catch 22 though, we need Wotte to be successful, but if he is and we stay up, then it does strengthen Lowe's position.All these discussions about who did what are pointless. The club could be on the verge of administration anytime over the next seven weeks, if results don't pick up soon. The major shareholders and fans need to unite for the good of the club. The next seven weeks will make or break our community club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 WTF medicine are you on.......how many posts do you have to read, before you understand what Lowe has done to this club. Wake up and smell the roses. Yeah, cup final, 10 years in the top flight when most pundits thought we would go down, European football, some great young players from the academy, lovely new stadium the utter utter b*stard. It has all been a total disaster hasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Okay Ginge, I'll bite. Feel free and go and find the post where I nail my colours to Lowe's mast. In my book he is just a bloke doing a job. Since he has been here I have agreed with somethings and disagreed with others. Like most blokes doing a job I think he does what he thinks is right. Like most blokes doing a job what he thinks is right is not always seen as right by others. If that makes me a "Luvvie" sobeit if it makes you happy. So who are the others? FFS.........every post you make, is in support of him, what does that say to you. i have never labelled you a 'Lowe lovie', and I defy you to find a post where I have said it. By your own written words you condem yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 If Lowe hadn't come back, we'd be in real financial difficulties. The fact that we're not bottom of the league goes to show that his decision to bring in JP and Wotte was correct. The loaning out of our top players to save on wages has made us financially secure and on the right footing to push forward in the later part of the season. Playing DMG every game has shown that his decision to loan out saga was spot on, many on here have shown how DMG, if carrying on at the same goal scoring rate, will be somewhere near the 20 a season mark that we all thought he would. Bringing the youth on has proved dividends, the likes of Lallana, has shown that playing every game at this level improves your sharpness and hones your skills and he will soon be sold so that we can pay the shareholders those dividends that they deserve by sticking with this club. I stand by my decision to write that letter to Lowe the day before the AGM as I speak on behalf of all Saints fans (the true Saints fans that still go) and I can;t wait for all of those shouting, clapping, aggressive ones to leave so that I can watch us climb this division in peace, without having to stand up to see us score, and only rising to applaud out brave soldiers off the pitch after another fine home win. Why oh why did we not bring back Lowe sooner, the futures bright, the futures red and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I don't do protest Ginge. If I don't like a decision I might have a moan but generally I support SFC and want the best for the club as a whole no matter who runs it. What gets up my bugle is the hypocracy. It just seems that if you name is Lowe it doesn't matter what you do are try to do you are damned, and in comparison, if anyone else ****s up that is okay because they are not Lowe. Jesus, talk about a persecution complex. This bloke has geuniely damaged our club. He's leading us to our second relegation, and you whine about semantics....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 FFS.........every post you make, is in support of him, what does that say to you. i have never labelled you a 'Lowe lovie', and I defy you to find a post where I have said it. By your own written words you condem yourself. Support him? Maybe I just don't rip everything he has ever done to shreds. Support or trying to be balanced. You decide. Not everything he has done has been cr*p. If it had been I'd probably be agreeing with you right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 As an ardent "anti-Ru**rt and Quisling" poster I have to say that it doesn't matter to me who appointed who. Ru**rt and Quisling chose the Total Football concept (wow, what a misnomer) and appointed the dynamic Dutch Duo. It was, and is continuing to be, a stupid thing to do. If Crouch had made those same choices I would have been just as fervently critical of him too. It's the choices and policies that matter. Do I think Crouch and/or McMenemy would have ever made those kind of choices? Hell no, they have a lot more common sense, and above all more love for the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Well everything was so wonderful under Crouch and McMenemy wasn't it so you must be right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Well everything was so wonderful under Crouch and McMenemy wasn't it so you must be right! The club had a future last May. This May, unless there is change, it wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Well everything was so wonderful under Crouch and McMenemy wasn't it so you must be right! No it wasn't all so wonderful. Please let me know where I said that? They too made mistakes. There was however hope. Or as Alpine said there was a reasonable expectation that the club still had a future. That hope has now been lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 The club had a future last May. This May, unless there is change, it wont. It might but in league one with a large points deficit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Alpine forsees doom and gloom every season. He even did it when we were in the play off fight. Oh, and I love it when people who do not have a clue what goes on behindclosed doors make these statements. From something concrete, the wage bill was unsustainable which meant if we had carried on as we were we would have been stuffed months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Alpine forsees doom and gloom every season. He even did it when we were in the play off fight. Oh, and I love it when people who do not have a clue what goes on behindclosed doors make these statements. From something concrete, the wage bill was unsustainable which meant if we had carried on as we were we would have been stuffed months ago. You of course, sit behind said closed doors, and earwig every decision. Why do you post such drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 You of course, sit behind said closed doors, and earwig every decision. Why do you post such drivel. Why do you read it Ginge? Hit the ignore button and you are sorted mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Why do you read it Ginge? Hit the ignore button and you are sorted mate! I need my daily laugh mate.........and you provide it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I need my daily laugh mate.........and you provide it. Great, pleased to be of service Ginge. So then, who are these other Luvvies? Apart from Sundance and Scooby I can't think of any other people who actually come on and give him 100% support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 (edited) Great, pleased to be of service Ginge. So then, who are these other Luvvies? Apart from Sundance and Scooby I can't think of any other people who actually come on and give him 100% support. Lets make a list Scobby Sundance Nineteen Canteen Manji Nickh Nickg SOG Alain Perrin Feel free to add any i have missed. Edited 1 February, 2009 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Here's a question for all the Lowe loathers. What if there isn't an alternative to Lowe and Wilde? Crouch clearly can't raise the funds. There doesn't seem to be a queue of eager buyers out there for us, or for any of the other thirty clubs up for sale. So, do we want to see relegation and administration with the prospect of the club being asset stripped and quite possibly liquidated just for the petty pleasure of old Rupes losing a hundred grand or two? And is the prospect of accepting that what we have is the best we're going to have for the time being at least so terrible that you'd wish for the club's demise? I am not a Lowe luvvie, I just think that all these money-men use football clubs for their egos and to compensate for other deficiencies, and if the marchers get their wish the best they are likely to get is a Lowe-clone in his place. Were Crouch, or the seventy-two other football league chairmen for that matter, ever THAT different? Personally, I've never seen one of them that I'd like to share a pint with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Here's a question for all the Lowe loathers. What if there isn't an alternative to Lowe and Wilde? Crouch clearly can't raise the funds. There doesn't seem to be a queue of eager buyers out there for us, or for any of the other thirty clubs up for sale. So, do we want to see relegation and administration with the prospect of the club being asset stripped and quite possibly liquidated just for the petty pleasure of old Rupes losing a hundred grand or two? And is the prospect of accepting that what we have is the best we're going to have for the time being at least so terrible that you'd wish for the club's demise? I am not a Lowe luvvie, I just think that all these money-men use football clubs for their egos and to compensate for other deficiencies, and if the marchers get their wish the best they are likely to get is a Lowe-clone in his place. Were Crouch, or the seventy-two other football league chairmen for that matter, ever THAT different? Personally, I've never seen one of them that I'd like to share a pint with. He offered to raise part of it along with a proposal but Lowe and Wilde refused to help..tell me why? They both spout they are here to do what is best for the club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 He offered to raise part of it knowing that the other two couldn't match it. Just the same as they said the club's yours for £6mill, because they know he can't raise it either. Silly old men playing games, I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Lets make a list Scobby Sundance Nineteen Canteen Manji Nickh Nickg SOG Alain Perrin Feel free to add any i have missed. I would agree with a couple, as for the rest, as I said bfore, if you are not part of the witch hunt then you are deemed to be a so called Luvvie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Lets make a list Scobby Sundance Nineteen Canteen Manji Nickh Nickg SOG Alain Perrin Feel free to add any i have missed. challenge for you -find my pro-lowe posts! there are loads saying I want him out, but just because I don't think the march will achieve that, those of little intellect resort for the "you are just a lowe luvvie" arguement rather than discussing a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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