trousers Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 Yes, I know, I know....people will accuse me of "wanting" the club to go under just because I pose an unpalitable question but he who dares, Rodney..... Hypothetically, IF the club went to the wall (i.e. a suitable investor can't be found in the next couple of weeks) what is the deadline for starting a new "Southampton FC" from scratch and which league would we start off in? Who would take care of the logistics around getting a new version of the club re-established? I'd rather have an incarnation of SFC to support next season than nothing at all, which could happen if we miss a deadline for such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 You just want the club to go under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2009 You just want the club to go under. ....and, of course, there is some reverse psychology logic in asking the question....the more we ponder the unponderable the less it is like to happen. Confusious 378 BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 ....and, of course, there is some reverse psychology logic in asking the question....the more we ponder the unponderable the less it is like to happen. Confusious 378 BC Tis true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 Using Aldershot as an example. We could expect to be in the Rymans Division 1 South possibly, I would imagine they will let us on the grounds of 'exceptional circumstances' . Although this is not guaranteed, AFC Wimbledon for example, was set up in the Combined Counties league, which is in Step 5 of the Football Leagues system ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_System ) Aldershots application was granted on June 16th to play in the league. The club was 'born' on April 22nd. So this gives you an idea of the timescales. The most realistic and quickest way back into the football league would be a merger with Eastleigh and re-branding ala MK Dons, not everyones cup of tea, but the quickest way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 Yes, I know, I know....people will accuse me of "wanting" the club to go under just because I pose an unpalitable question but he who dares, Rodney..... Hypothetically, IF the club went to the wall (i.e. a suitable investor can't be found in the next couple of weeks) what is the deadline for starting a new "Southampton FC" from scratch and which league would we start off in? Who would take care of the logistics around getting a new version of the club re-established? I'd rather have an incarnation of SFC to support next season than nothing at all, which could happen if we miss a deadline for such things. Wouldn't the club go into CVA first before going to the wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I don't get all this "club go out of existence" stuff, why are we so different to all the over clubs that go through administration and carry on? Can someone explain what Barclays and/or Aviva have to gain through killing the club? If the club stops trading then every single player will have their contracts cancelled and leave for nothing. Surely it is absolutely vital for the Bank to have us keep trading untill the end of the season if they want to cash in on anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I don't get all this "club go out of existence" stuff, why are we so different to all the over clubs that go through administration and carry on? Can someone explain what Barclays and/or Aviva have to gain through killing the club? If the club stops trading then every single player will have their contracts cancelled and leave for nothing. Surely it is absolutely vital for the Bank to have us keep trading untill the end of the season if they want to cash in on anyone? Winding up the PLC and it's subsidaries would mean everything could be sold, players, land, whatever have you. If SMS is secured on future ST sales and nothing else I guess Barclay's would get the lions share of everything else. I mean the club doesn't seem to have all that many creditors, BB want their money and I don't expect they give a toss how they get it. They usually don't. I know little of UK banks but from what I've read in the press Barclay's are one of the most aggressive when it comes to getting their overdrafts repaid.If we only owe them 4.1 million we have assets which will cover that, they'll make sure they get their cash by hook or by crook. If push came to shove I could see Aviva loaning us the money to get Barclay's off our backs.But then I'm not a city wide boy so perhaps I'm wrong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 Winding up the PLC and it's subsidaries would mean everything could be sold, players, land, whatever have you. If SMS is secured on future ST sales and nothing else I guess Barclay's would get the lions share of everything else. I mean the club doesn't seem to have all that many creditors, BB want their money and I don't expect they give a toss how they get it. They usually don't. I know little of UK banks but from what I've read in the press Barclay's are one of the most aggressive when it comes to getting their overdrafts repaid.If we only owe them 4.1 million we have assets which will cover that, they'll make sure they get their cash by hook or by crook. If push came to shove I could see Aviva loaning us the money to get Barclay's off our backs.But then I'm not a city wide boy so perhaps I'm wrong there. But if we don't make the end of the season they wont be able to sell a single player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 But if we don't make the end of the season they wont be able to sell a single player. How do you work that out? breach of contract because of salaries not being paid? won't happen. The first and foremost thing that will be paid is the player's salaries. Count on it. We've already got enough in to pay them up till the end of April.Plus several players are already being paid by other clubs.The admins aren't stupid enough to fall into the traps of not paying the "asset" players. The match income will be directed at them first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 How do you work that out? breach of contract because of salaries not being paid? won't happen. The first and foremost thing that will be paid is the player's salaries. Count on it. We've already got enough in to pay them up till the end of April.Plus several players are already being paid by other clubs.The admins aren't stupid enough to fall into the traps of not paying the "asset" players. The match income will be directed at them first. I'm pretty sure if a club ceases trading then their registration will be cancelled and they will be able to play for whoever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I know it may seem silly but has anyone sounded out Eastleigh? Given 99% of Eastleigh supporters are Saints fans first couldn't we be reborn Southampton - Eastleigh or such like? We get to start from the Conference South / Conference and we move Eastleigh to St Marys? I know it's seems odd but we're all Southampton really. It's not like merging with Gosport or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSparky Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 (edited) Using Aldershot as an example. We could expect to be in the Rymans Division 1 South possibly, I would imagine they will let us on the grounds of 'exceptional circumstances' . Although this is not guaranteed, AFC Wimbledon for example, was set up in the Combined Counties league, which is in Step 5 of the Football Leagues system ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_System ) Aldershots application was granted on June 16th to play in the league. The club was 'born' on April 22nd. So this gives you an idea of the timescales. The most realistic and quickest way back into the football league would be a merger with Eastleigh and re-branding ala MK Dons, not everyones cup of tea, but the quickest way. Southampton are very much in Southern League territory, not even close to Isthmian league these days (my non-league team is Worthing, we are towards the western edge of the Isthmian League area along the south coast), so if a club were reformed (which is how this would be classed if SFC ceased) and accepted at Step 4 then it would be Southern League Division One South & West. The rules are a bit like black magic as the FA national league committee, the various league committees and county FA's all have a say at various levels. In general terms one would expect a new or reformed club to start at the bottom of the senior pyramid which would be around Step 6 or 7; Wessex League Division One being at Step 6; however most examples of reformed clubs over the past few seasons have not come close to this; one main element is much to do with ground grading and the rules are quite complex on that (and have just got even more complex for next season at the Step 5/6/7 levels). With a sensible ground then Step 5 is reasonable (which would almost certainly put us in Wessex League Premier) however Step 4 is possible as mentioned above. It is to complex to answer simply as recent history shows a complete lack of consistency when this type of thing happens - no one should be surprised considering the way football is run in this country. In non-league circles the closed season is often far more busy for football administrators across the pyramid than during the playing season. Timescales will be dependant on the National League Committee and the relevant league board meetings where league constitutions are agreed over the summer. If the worst happens, whomever was setting up the reformed club would need to act quickly. Edited 14 April, 2009 by SaintSparky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I'm pretty sure if a club ceases trading then their registration will be cancelled and they will be able to play for whoever they want. I'm pretty sure we can limp on for three more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 Will not go under, IMO, I think we have to much to offer, even as a league 1 club. We are a bargain for someone who wants the status of a football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 I know it may seem silly but has anyone sounded out Eastleigh? Given 99% of Eastleigh supporters are Saints fans first couldn't we be reborn Southampton - Eastleigh or such like? We get to start from the Conference South / Conference and we move Eastleigh to St Marys? I know it's seems odd but we're all Southampton really. It's not like merging with Gosport or something. I thought the reaction was bad enough when Eastleigh Airport got renamed, how well would it go down if the football club was hijacked? Ok so it's not quite MK Dons or a merger with Pompey but I'm sure some people would kick up a fuss... correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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