Fabrice29

We could get an actual DOF instead maybe.🤔

Hahaha so no then? 😂

This struck me as well however his biggest challenge is the fans view of him come the end of the season if we continue to lose games in the manner of Brentford. Fans obsession with sticking older managers into DOF role is genuinely insane 😂. Has anyone got any evidence of it happening or being successful in the past? Let alone perfectly active managers actually wanting to do it.

Sounds like there could be some details to be revealed over that Shea Charles recall. Possible extension for a fee and 7 days for the recall to kick in both mentioned.

Both are much physically bigger than Sam

He played once in the cup I think and was 17. Manning was in the team of the season for the Championship the season prior. Lets not rewrite history that it was a straight choice between the two at any stage for a season in which we simply needed to be promoted. SAA looked decent when he came off the bench at the start of season when we were in heavy possession and he could concentrate on what he is good at. He started against QPR (I think) and was evidently swamped by the other aspects of the game and pressure of starting, which is perfectly reasonable but it does put into context where he was at last season and the qualities he could bring to the team. I repeat, they are both 18 now and their exposure to first team football is perfectly reasonably for kids their age, they have not been mistreated by the club or it's managers, other than a club being relegated, needing promotion immediately and then attempting to stay up is not a particularly great environment for young players in general (probably why Meghoma fancied the move tbh because it certainly isn't to be guaranteed much more first team football).

Oh cool, thanks for your info. You can post it in the Martin thread I reckon, it’s not really relevant here.

Because if the rumours are true that he’s got the ear of White, Souness and MLT etc I don’t think that’s particularly level headed and calm company and therefore fearful that’ll he’ll end up on Talksport giving very reactionary interviews about why changes are needed without much action behind it. I have a vague memory of him doing that before in some capacity and it’s all just a bit…for show isn’t it? Hopefully my fears are unfounded.

Considering he’s of a similar physical make up to Adam Armstrong, last year’s Championship top scorer, who every time he plays in the PL looks absolutely dwarfed and out of his depth, can you think of a reason why an 18 year old might not have the physical game for the PL just yet and that a league cup game against Cardiff probably isn’t proof to the contrary? I’m intrigued to know if there’s any other 18 year olds like like SAA getting regular game time in the league?

Fearful not critical. Clever clogs.

Because media duties and talk sport interviews are two different things clever clogs. Stick to reactions fella.

How about Meghoma and SAA were/are 17 and 18 and maybe the idea of them being ignored because they weren’t/aren’t playing every week is a bit absurd? Meghoma currently restricted to EFL cup games for Brentford right now, is he being ignored or is he taking a perfectly normal path for a young player? Kids of this age getting regular football in the Championship or PL are exceptions, and just because these two have been highlighted for a little while now doesn’t mean they should be treated exceptionally. The clubs relegation two seasons ago really set everyone back because we’ve now had to have two seasons of purely focusing on the immediate, these two and Ballard etc maybe the victims of that slightly but they are hardly being treated terribly for kids of their age. Where’s that evidence then compared to the previous manager?

Biggest fear is we are only days away from cringeworthy talksport interviews with Jim White.

The idea that two guys with just two international caps under their belts and both been available for transfer for a season and a half but not got one are highly rated internationals is a bit OTT, but yeah that’s opinion. The idea that theirs no downside to allowing someone who has quite clearly not wanted to be here for a while now and has been ignored from starting matches by two managers and had his attitude questioned by both publicly is you talking out of your arse, yes. That shit shouldn’t just be rewarded without earning it.

Would just like to remind people we still got relegated, finishing bottom with ABK at the back last time too. Rewarding someone who hasn't wanted to be here since seems a bit daft, but hey, all the managers we've had since were probably at fault and CanadaSaint knows best.

Quite a few people also didn't say that, as per my post.

Shocked that a PR piece in the German media isn't enough for people at the club who deal with him daily despite it being proof of everything they knew about ABK and Martin by people on here.

Where was that reported? I'm pretty sure the way the system works being on the past 5 years of accounts that they will be hugely benefiting from flying through the leagues and this is probably their best time to spend.

He didn’t get found out, he was a young guy making his first step in senior football on a regular basis and wasn’t really afforded the time to make mistakes because he had slightly more experienced players in front of him and we had a promotion to win. You can blame the system all you like but he was recruited due to his up bringing in a similar system and that system got us promoted and allowed others to shine. It’s just life that he’s improving and in a slightly less pressurised environment is being allowed to find his way this season. Sorry that doesn’t suit your ‘Russball was shit and should be shouted down on every topic possible’ narrative but sometimes it’s okay for some players to play bad and then play well.

Would also quite like to remind people that quite a lot of our players already have a relegation on their CV's, whether with us or elsewhere.

There is probably some merit to this and I'm open to the idea that Charles has improved this year, which was always likely to happen but I do think people are forgetting that the jump is quite big and Charles and Aribo were in the same team last season and one did a lot better than the other (albeit in different roles). Performances for Sheffield Wednesday don't just translate into performances for us in the PL in a struggling team.

That extra point, man it must have been good.

I’m not sure he’s a great example based on his team whoring himself to loads of clubs including us since last January but sure, point taken. Maybe the perfect striker is out there waiting to be chucked a few quid and I’ll be reminding myself of that as we continue to lump balls up to Onuachu from February to no success.

I’m understanding that you’re not going to turn up anymore if performances don’t improve and I’m suggesting that one way to improve it might be buying some new players rather than relying on ones who have yet to do so.

Right but that’s not quite the way it works though is it. Not only does only winning one game have consequences this season like potentially having to replace another manager but also imagine calling up said striker and saying ‘hey, yeah I know we were really shit last year and Leicester put up a fight of sorts and seem more appealing but we went through all that so we could chuck some more cash your way’ it isn’t quite the pull you think it is.