Fabrice29

Yes but it’s not exactly needed is it? It’s painfully obvious why and anyone pretending they don’t know it is pretending. Would expect Jander to miss out at some stage too.

This is all lovely written on a forum but in reality all it does it get worked out quickly and easier. All you’re doing is reducing our two best dribblers to small parts of the pitch on the wings, asking Manning to curb his natural instincts and best traits of overlapping and expecting a very inconsistent Azaz to conduct all our creative play. Like now, it’ll be great whilst it works and bad when it doesn’t. That’s fine, that’s the game, that’s tactics in general but we’re hampered by only having these bits to play with and that’ll always be the case until we’re not. Also not convinced that without Charles we have the physicality and confidence to play two in midfield that has to both run the game and protect a back four.

Just to add to my post above. Ipswich have 3 ‘target men’ or whatever you want to call it. They played 2 today and 1 in Hirst who I assume is injured. 3 players who through sheer energy, pace, strength and guile can turn bad balls info good ones, win a free kick through holding the play up, or turn a defender and turn play around. We have zero fit/available. It reduce pressure in an instant and they all are a threat from crosses in the box, good and bad ones. For all of Armstrong and Archers endeavours they are limited in that and in the main they need good service and our whole attack needs to be precise and ruthless for it to be effective. That’s the difference, and no change in formation changes those facts, we’ll end up nullified by our own player limitations eventually whatever formation or manager. That’s why it should be top of the list of recruitment in January, especially as the two players in the squad who supposedly should be playing that role are unreliable.

We attack like that anyway and it gets nullified by other teams because we have little other options. It's no surprise to me that the first time we've actually been able to bring on different player traits on we've got a reaction out of them tonight. You cant just stretch play as an instruction. You need to create space to stretch into and teams actively are trying to counter that against us. So it's on us to come up with something different but we don't have other player types to do that. That is obviously on recruitment. I really find it mad people think the media team putting out a fancy graphic of us lining up in a 4231 would suddenly mean that front four become different players, it would still be playing in the same parts of the pitch, still be relying on precise interplay and dribbling and crucially it would still lack any kind of physical threat in the box or able to hold up play elsewhere.

Are you able to provide examples of available experienced managers who could have returned the points/record that Eckert has in his 11 games so far?

A way of getting height in the team in a league where set pieces are big. Allows Fellows to pick up the ball from deep rather than playing high up and not having a target man to play off. Without the target man we only have one or two ways out so it gives extra passing options as we cant go long.

Apart from tonight obviously.

Sorry, what? 😂

Well, as I’ve pointed out quite a few times now the formation won’t decide the result. Players doing good things will. So fingers crossed 🤞

Back to the washing up fella

Except for the evidence that when we played 4 at the back we lost so it literally doesn’t. Because, the things that make a difference are player decisions and characteristics and execution. But if you really think either playing an unfit Jelert for an hour, Ryan Fraser or a CB out of position at right back will make a difference when it comes to missing chances from 6 yards or bottling a tackle when a player is running through your team then I’d much rather live in your world. So we defended them reasonably well then?

None of this was needed when we beat these recently. Formation changes being the thing that decides a result is for very simple minded people. Go help with the washing up love.

Just going to check the formation, defence and keeper picked for the victory we had against these just a few weeks ago. BRB.

And yet he didn’t get the results the manager who picks those players has.

How it works in my mind is how it’s always worked. The results aren’t solely a verdict of how good a manager is and other factors like the players are a much bigger factor. Wins or losses. And a club/fanbase which has gone through the amount we have this year probably should know that by now.

Welcome aboard my Russell Martin actually did a good job for us at this level train. Ignore the haters on the outside, we’ll gather who we can along the slow and bumpy journey, I promise you. Probably could have a look at the form under the other manager we’ve had this season and see if there’s any major similarities like for example the squad? But just a thought.

Well I’m just wondering if TE is the issue or if your point of away form precedes him?

Both lost to Will Still and his vast experience

Well my point was experience doesn’t dictate results. Which is not only proven by today. It’s also proven by Sheffield United v Southampton earlier this season (when we had a manager with no experience of this league) and it’s proven by the stat you mentioned that over his 17 games this season Wilder is picking up less points per game than Eckert. It’s also proven by your further start that wilder did better last season than he did this season, so more experience doesn’t mean better results because he’s evidently less experienced last season than he is this season. But yeah, maybe it’s me that’s thick as fuck or trolling or just point out very simple facts that people talking about experience are not making very sensible points.

Anyway, stop thinking the manager dictates the result of the game. Stop demanding managerial changes and expecting different results with the same players. And stop thinking cliche things like experience and formations would also change things. Especially in the face of clear evidence that they don’t.

1 game sample he says as he kindly points out a 17 game sample stat.

Where’s the away games under Martin, Juric, Rusk, Still threads?

Experience mentioned in every post already. How did Chris Wilders team get on today out of interest?

Corrr somebody has had a lonely Xmas.

‘Runs of form come and go unless of course it’s a run of form that underlines my opinion then it’s proof of what I was saying all along.’