Fabrice29

Thank you for explaining who KWP and Charlie Taylor are

Pretty sure Taylor was signed with the idea that both Manning and/or KWP were going to leave and when neither materialised we found ourselves with more left backs than expected. Taylor became the victim of the club trying to be proactive.

Umm, it's not, so you might want to read that again and also maybe try and understand the idea that someone being shit for us for 10 games this season probably isn't the conclusive verdict on them as a player for some other teams. But anyway, this is all hypothetical ffs

Yes it's a mystery as to why they would want to wait to find out if they are in a more lucrative league before splashing out £10 million or whatever they end up spending in the summer. Lets see how he gets on first but I can assure you if we were lucky enough to have a striker who scored 6 goals in 14 games for us the rest of this season, then we loaned him in the championship next year and he helped us get promoted and we had an option to sign him permanently I'd challenge you not to think it's a no brainer.

He's been rubbish for us but are you deliberately just forgetting he was quite good for them last season in this league? Or do you genuinely believe that Sheffield United will just base their entire opinion on him at this level based on these few months and completely ignore him playing for them at this level.

Oh if you’re going to try and be clever then please do double check your working. Not one bit of this is about deluded support of Juric. It’s about the delusion theirs a magic line up that achieves results. Sweetheart.

The subject was yesterdays game and once again you changed the subject to RM.

He’s doing fine. The perception is things are improving even if the reality is the same results. He isn’t the problem. Mistakes, capitulations and lack of goals are all things that transcend managers and tactics.

Wish I was as clever as you

Still my favourite delusion on here btw. There’s a magic combination out there, hope we find it soon.

You don’t have to make everything about Martin mate. Some players look better, some look worse. Same results.

You can blame previous manager and his style all you like but the ‘bigger read’ is there is a core group of players here that over two seasons of the PL have been consistently finding ways to lose football matches at this level, whatever tactics they are asked to play.

You’re acting like he didn’t leave 2 months prior ffs 😂 ‘Hi boys, I know you want to leave for better academies with access to youth European football etc but we’d like you to hang around here so that if we have a dire season we can throw you in a bit too early for you to please the fans a bit’

Team is full of players who look better the less they play.

And as I pointed out changing the manager wouldn’t really change much.

You’re basically arguing bad signings are bad and good ones are good which is not the ground breaking review you think it is. I don’t think anyone is praising the current strategy just asking you which of the 16/17 years old who wanted to leave were blocked by signings that were supposed to help us more immediately. And there’s very little evidence to suggest either the guys you have mentioned or the ones we signed could have or did help.

You think Morgan and Gomes sought assurances that Chelsea and Lyons pathway would be more accessible and are now sitting in their youth teams reeling from being lied to? Or do you think Meghoma is at Preston now telling everyone there how Brentfords pathway to first team is better than Southamptons all because of Sport Republic? Kids this age all move for development reasons and there's valid arguements all those clubs are better for their development but it's not because of a pathway issue. None of them were being left out our first team undeservedly and none of them have done anything since to prove that is the case.

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, there's a massive difference between wanting us to improve the squad and actually going out to do it, and yes Ferguson is unrealistic. If we are to get anyone from a PL team it'll be a late deal and someone who the 19 other clubs and have turned down tbh.

Meghoma just moved to Preston on loan because he wasn't given minutes at Brentford. Neither of the next two are playing in anyones first team any time soon, the idea that they've been blocked just doesn't really stand up and also I would argue that both the strikers seeked a higher quality academy experience and moved onto better things rather than being got rid of by Sports Republic or blocked.

What are you on about? My thoughts on the previous manager and this one are exactly the same, hampered by the quality of the players and neither at sole fault for the season.

In terms of money on a balance sheet I'm not qualified to say where it'll be made back, I'm not entirely sure any money on a transfer is specifically squared off on a balance sheet but you are probably right, a few quid on a loan isn't going to necessary be paid off by the end of the season. But, I think it's about more than that, even from an ownership point of you. I've argued this previously in this thread so probably saying similar things but 17 games is a long time, if the owners show apathy to the rest of the season then so does everyone else. Manager, players, fans. It all translate to a toxic atmosphere in the ground. Both times thats appeared to have happened previously the owners have sacked managers which is even worse business. I doubt they'd want to sack Juric again before the end of the season, but I don't think it's completely off the table if we lose another 10 games on the trot for example. Obviously I'm talking extremes, I don't think we'll lose 10 games in a row and think we can probably plod along until the end of the season now but how about our reputation. Apart from the obvious of going down without a fight, we're a club who prides itself on being a place you can come to and be given a chance if you're not elsewhere, I dont think dismissing opportunities to do that in any window is particularly good business. A good loan move for someone now can present further chances down the line. So yeah, maybe in a terms of strictly looking at the balance sheet then I suspect very rarely do loan moves mean good business and I'm sure there's plenty of reasons why it's a bad idea and maybe the ownership fall on that side of the arguement and we don't do anything, but I do feel there are benefits to at least trying to improve over the next few months as well and putting up some sort of fight. You never know, we might win a few games and find ourselves within touching distance too...I'm talking in extremes again Eh?

lol you must feel like a twat

Assume he means this https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32156019/tyler-dibling-quit-southampton-academy-chelsea/amp/

Who are all the good ones SR got rid of out of interest and how they getting on now?

Better results are better for business. Money, atmosphere, reputation and whatever else you can think of would be improved by better results. It makes no sense to spend the next 17 games in the PL preparing for a season to get us back into the PL. We are here now and whatever the outcome attempting to be competitive in it would be good.