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Under his Leadership we went into administration and the Club was nearly finished. Having a nice training ground is rather irrelevant to the issue of survival.

A petty action that speaks more about Cortese. Add to the list of petty actions that Cortese has taken.

You fail to grasp what I said. I quoted Pardew's win ratio (from Oct 09) in League ONE. I then said that from the start of October 2010 Adkins needed to achieve a similar win ratio in League ONE to get us automatic promotion. Those are the same Leagues! Why you think it is relevant to quote roy of the rovers city central tin pot league win ratios is just about the most irrelevant comparison I have ever read. But you seem to think it is relevant.....

The question that arises is why Adkins failed to communicate with the players about hoofball. I hope it is not the Sturrock type of problem.

I am quoting win ratios in the same division. Do pay attention. There is also the fact that Pardew inherited a Club that had forgotten what a winning mentality was. Adkins inherited a Club that had only temporarily slumped back into a losing mentality over a few games.

From October 2009, Pardew instilled a winning mentality and won 64%. We had lacked a winning mentality at the Club for most of the previous 4 seasons. We now need Adkins to do the same and win 62%+ for an automatic promotion slot. The honeymoon is over, Adkins thinks he can get promotion and Cortese thought we were better off with Adkins than Pardew. So prove it.

Hits the nail on the head.

What is very odd is that we have some people being very precious over any adverse criticism on Cortese. It is as if no one is allowed to challenge any decision Cortese has taken. We frequently have a "you do not know why AP was fired therefore you cannot challenge the decision". Add in some sentimental claptrap about watch stories and claims about Cortese's brilliant business management background (no evidence), we then see the sad sight of Saints heroes who have been insulted by Cortese, being slagged off on here as well. Some of the precious Cortese supporters also were the same folk defending Lowelife with many of the same points about "how dare you challenge the great businessman Rupert etc"....... I always do look out for FF's posts even though my politics are diametrically opposed to his (UNITE). But I do respect his insights and contacts about the Club and would encourage him to continue.

Hire a good PR Manager for £50k a year and actually take their advice.

Are you saying we should not trust a Press statement from Cortese?

This is what the Club stated. Now since "the Football Development & Support Centre " is Les Reed's department, the crux of the justification was to improve co-operation between the First Team and Les Reed's Dept. As to underperformance, there is nothing in the statement saying that it was down to underperformance. Indeed the Echo stated that they were briefed from Cortese's people that the dismissal was not to do with performance. A Manager with one of the best win ratio's in 125 years at the Club, also has a very strong case for being a high performer.

The Press statement was quite clear that he and the other 2 coaches had to go to improve co-operation with Les Reed's dept. Or was the Press statement lying? What other illogical acts have we seen from Cortese? Banning media from taking photos, Banning the Saints Trust Chairman from a ST, Ending a payment scheme for STs without explanation, Installing car park charges for supporters going to away games etc etc All petty stupid actions that were also badly communicated. How many examples of illogical acts do you want?

If the cap fits. We (British) people do not like dictators.

Is the British disease removing a Manager with one of the best win ratio's in the Club's 125 year history to improve co-operation with another dept? One of the things Britain has a proud history in doing is standing up to dictators be they Hitler, Napoleon or King John. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

60% was possible but not 70%. A 55% League win ratio would have been enough for automatic promotion this season with 12 draws. Just read the Press statement. The only justification listed as the reason for dismissal is the need to have "co-operative units" between the First Team and Les Reed's department.

Dismissing a fact that states that the record of Pardew with "one of the highest win ratios in our Club's 125 yr history" as something of little consequence and that instead we should look at other things such as Cortese's judgement or the importance of inter departmental co-operation, is the real insult to intelligence.

Issuing an insult shows the weakness of your argument. I must have missed the protests against AP, the chants at SMS demanding AP to be sacked etc...? Not. The facts are that AP had a very good win ratio record including his "slow start". Best for about 100 years as a Saints manager. The Club stated that he was dismissed to improve co-operation with Les Reed's department. Those are facts stated on the record. Dismissing a Mgr with one of the best win ratios in our 125 year history needs a lot more justification than "to improve co-operation". Yes Adkins has to be given more time but since AP departed we have one of the worst runs of form in our 125 year history. We are less than 90 minutes from having the longest goal drought in our history. Those are all facts and pretending that these appalling records do not exist or are worse than Lowelife produced is trying to spin a fairy tale on behalf of Cortese. I do believe we will score on Saturday and think that luck may fall our way agst Sheff Weds.

AP win % = 53.13% Without AP the win ratio is 0%.

I agreed with sadoldgit in most parts. The main conclusion that comes across is the problem with the quality of the Leader of the Club. We have suffered from many inadequate Leaders apart from Marcus. Lions led by Donkeys. We actually have a very viable Club and I hope that Cortese can quickly learn some business management skills or is replaced with a better Leader.

It leaves Adkins F**ked.

Yes we have still not scored a goal for 5 games. But if you want a happy clappy post then smile.

There were 2,000+ more STs in the figures this year........ There has been a large slump in attendance after Pardew left. A fact. Let us hope that Adkins pulls it around.

Of course it is everything to do with Cortese. He fired the Mgr after a 4-0 away win and then demoralised many of the players and removed the hope for many supporters had for this season. Of course Adkins may bring it back, I hope so. But you cannot deny that 4000 have stayed away after Cortese's actions. Under Lowe life when he came back for the final time he also drove away 5000 supporters.

No chance of winning the League one title. We are hoping that we can get out of the relegation zone.

The attendance is now running at 4,000 below earlier this season. The communication with supporters is abysmal and the "square" PR people are being paid to do PR work whilst supporters are voting with their feet.