CB Fry

Using the percentage of Muslims was fine as it shows a representative sample - a small minority that agreed with the statement and also indexed significantly above the control group. That's how they should have explained the data - a distinct minority who expressed "sympathy" versus the control sample. The % were small so unhelpful to dramatise it with hundreds of thousands of people, but not strictly wrong as it gave a reading within the margin of error, but just misjudged. Your "both or neither" argument came after you twice asking for C4 to express the 1% of the general population as a number and, more importantly, after I explained to you why this would be sensationalist and silly, but nice try anyway.

Quite. Nothing worse than the false confidence of "look at the team they're putting out!!". A win tomorrow will be a great result, regardless of who they send out.

You explained your thoughts, I'm just pointing out you were wrong twice to ask they say something which would have been completely misleading and unfounded.

Just trying to point out that something you wanted C4 to do so much you mentioned it twice on this thread was a rather silly thing to ask for. Happy to help though.

I know you don't like "absolute lies" so can you tell me which page of the booklet that sentence is from?

Seriously, how many times are you going to ask the same pointless questions over and over and over again on this thread?

I'm not having a go at you. Mark Lawrenson has been employing that particular technique (say the opposite in the text to the prediction) for many matches for at least couple of seasons. Probably an attempt to reduce the volume of fans convinced he has an agenda against them but frankly there's not really anything he can do is there?

But Mane was definitely sold in January, wasn't he? https://tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.saintsweb.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php?t=55508&share_tid=55508&share_fid=3658&share_type=t F**ked without Mane

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Mark_Lawrenson_Predictions_2015-16.html Top six, eight points more than we have in reality. He hates us he does. Please say we'll win Lawro. Please say we'll win. Just say we'll win Lawro. Please Lawro. Please Lawro. Please say we'll win. Please. Please. Please Lawro.

You seem awfully animated about that bit, some might say you are at "great pains" to point it out. I agree the programme would have been better off not quoting the "this equates to X thousand Muslims" for that stat as it wasn't particularly helpful, but they were absolutely correct not to start quoting 600k of the general population as you advise which would have been a ridiculous statement. With a standard margin of error for a survey like this 1% is simply not statistically significant and the programme was right to not dwell on it. Rather amusing that you've been getting upset about how sensationalist the programme was but then demanding that they report utterly sensational and baseless info instead. Well done.

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Aluminium can of frogs.

At least Liverpool are trying to win the Europa League, which seems something of a rarity for an English team. Still hate the c u ts though.

He won't leave us for Everton but it's not a drop down. Everton have just been taken over and will have as good a chance as anyone to finish top 8 next season, especially if they bin off Martinez which I think they will. They could also do a Villa but then so could we.

The 2016-2023 headstone thing on the website is a bit weird.

Yeah, it's definitely Trevor Phillips with the agenda here. Definitely him. I think the phrase we need here is "wiful misunderstanding". Well done.

I just want one person to appreciate that last post, I'm very proud of it.

No because I doubt Steve wants it on this forum. Put a basic search into twitter (celeb injunction threesome etc) and it's there pretty obviously. And then you can tell everybody.

Most if the reason I liked it was because it was very fair and painted the British Muslim community as wanting to be here, feeling British, having a perception that they will be treated fairly by the authorities and so on. And the pen portraits and interviews they carried out with the community leader in Blackburn, the stand up comic, the two guys with stands on the street, were positive and very interesting. The methodology was explained well, and as had already been covered here in discussions with saps who don't understand these things, the survey was comprehensive and representative as any you'll get on anything. Trevor Phillips offered a good commentary and some suggestions which were sensible. As a Guardian-reading lily-livered liberal interested in social justice and equality of opportunity it worked for me. People that just wanted a basic "ain't Muslims brilliant" whitewash (probably blaming, like, Tony B-LIAR for every bad thing) would likely leave the programme disappointed. They mentioned 7/7. Gosh. What a disgrace.

Pretty naive to think it wouldn't reference 7/7 in the programme - it's one of the reasons the survey was carried out and the programme was made. Would have been far more bizarre to not reference it at all. I thought it was very good piece of work.

I thought everyone knew who it is by now.

I can't be bothered to run scenarios but I think that league table looks about right, and I think at the end of the season eighth place will be about right for us. In all honesty I am worried more about Chelsea having a strong finish and us puttering out allowing Stoke past us to leave us tenth far more than us storming up to sixth. But I think we will do okay and see it and eighth it is.

Don't really understand your point. Chelsea should be in the top four, of course they should, they've massively underperformed for various reasons. We should have been nailed on play offs that season and ideally challenging for automatic. That's what we should have done. We underperformed and scraped in.

Really can't see why any club we would prepared to sell Mane to (a CL level club, or Liverpool) would want to pay what we'd want for him. He hasn't been a £25m player this season. I think he will stay by default for one more year. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

It's where the trade go.