CB Fry

We'd probably be excited if we'd signed him. Could turn out to be sh it. Just like Pelle could. Football, eh? I ask you.

Keep ranting, swivel-eyes.

While I don't think we would get relegated, It is worth saying that I can't remember any pre season where we haven't gone somewhere - Norway, Belgium, wherever and smashed some part timers. Utterly pointless drawing optimism from games that are nothing more than kick abouts. I bet the same people getting excited will be the same people saying "patience, patience it's a long season" if we lose our first three league games.

Not really, as several clubs who finished below us last season, and QPR proved the season before, proved quite comprehensively.

So is paying high wages a good or bad thing? You're once again risking tying yourself in knots when you can't quite work out what point you're trying to make.

It's a pretty tight choice. QPR probably will go higher on wages, because they are mental, not because we can't compete. HR will be persuasive and if he is the kind of person to be swung by a phone call from Rio Ferdinand you can see them playing that card. Plus he joins the London set alongside the players from the other London clubs. There are reasons to join QPR, which are understandable but also don't mean we all need to start wailing at the moon about us not being able to compete. There are loads of compelling reasons to join Saints as well. Let's see which way it goes. Centre back in a pretty woeful team last year: I'd get over it.

They might not want their (apparent) inside info to be so overtly pulled out, although Guan does start threads, so he might not care. Hunting stuff out is part of the fun of the forum, anyway.

Truly, truly mental.

I think this forum is not for you.

Swansea under Garry Monk could be a right force next season. And Villa have signed Joe Cole and everything. Oh, I so wish I supported them.

Quite a lot on twitter, surprised there isn't a dedicated thread on here already.

Ohhhhh yessss.

Chelsea to win the league. Man U to replace Liverpool in top 4, probably second. City and Arsenal 3/4. Down will be Swansea West Brom Burnley Outside bet for relegation is Hull whose mental owner decides to sack Steve Bruce in November and replace him with Dean Windass. Derby to come up automatically, with Fulham. Middlesbrough do a Burnley from nowhere and go up but through the play offs.

Sharp will probably end up L1 or maybe the Championship. Who plays where in glorified training kick abouts in neither here nor there.

You could have PM'd us both with that gem.

Let's go back to the beginning. You started by saying why buy now when he'll be free next year. I pointed out that's highly unlikely to be the case at which point you decided I was not working in the realms of reality. Interestingly, MLG pointed out he wouldn't be free anyway, so one-nil to my version of reality. In the world of reality Burnley are very very unlikely to let Ings run his contract down to zero and in the world of reality Ings is very very unlikely to let his contract run down, and if he does it won't be out of "loyalty". So don't pretend "I don't understand" when your grasp of reality is so feeble.

Deary me. I think the only assuming going on is from you, boiling down a complex and multi - faceted process into a black/white decision point. There are myriad ways this process could play out over the next six weeks and indeed the next twelve months. Of those outcomes, Ings walking out for free (or a tribunal fee) is way down the list, just above Ings signing for Barcelona. Keep this stuff up and you will soon be one of my favourite pet forum idiots. You don't have a view on the Boston bombing do you?

And he's just banked fifty odd mill in in-no-way inflated fees.

Nice info, cheers. Inflated fees, eh? Fancy that.

Pretty easy when your "predictions" cover every single conceivable outcome.

Georgio Burlieo?

Their version of NickG never said that or anything like that and you are deliberately misunderstanding them on purpose or something. You need to understand the meaning of "might maybe realistically aim to possibly try to realistically target" something, mate.

Running his contract down to the bitter end is not actually "giving back to their club", is it? It's fu cking them over. Ings won't do that. It's called reality.

That, or they sell him. Pretty common practice at every football club, everywhere. Kinda "the realms of reality", I'd say. Far more realistic than the "oh look! A free player!!" nonsense you're coming out with.

Let's assume, for a second, that Burnley won't let him run his contract down and just leave on a free.