Robsk II

To be honest, I suppose I feel that if someone truly was objective - and I see the objective as being inherently superior to the subjective, and something that we should all TRY to base our views and values on - then most people would have views I don't find abhorrent. Of course people are allowed different opinions. I have no problem admitting that I often believe their views to be simply wrong, though. otherwise, i'd have those views as well, surely? I MUST believe in my views in order to hold them, and I also believe that generally means rejecting thos of others unless they are in-line or compelling enough to affect a change in my own.

100% agreed. Greedy, backwards, reactionary, never pro-active, never revolutionary, never forward thinking - small minded, illiberal money-pinching fools. I've met a fair few of our councillors on a professional level, and I've only ever had time for two, maximum. Oddly, both were conservatives. Just goes to show.

I seek to form my opinions on an objective as well as a subjective level. Simply that. So **** someone elses view if they can't be bothered to do the same. If I met a black person who punched me, I would be a fool to say black people are all violent, but some of what foes on here is little short of that. If I call people stupid at times, it pales into comparison when against things like wishing cancer on people, saying no-one cares if immigrants die etc - both of those things have een said TODAY. I don't care about what people do or anything else. this is because I judge people based on who they are, not what they are - another fundamental ethos of mine. I'm also pretty realistic, and am aware I have some stigmas as well. But actually, I will revise mine, whereas many of you lot don't. I also do acknowledge and will readily discuss other views. Mine are very strongly held, i accept, but if someone genuinely gives me some information that would cause a change in my views, then change they would. it just so happens that few people, certainly on this board, possess the ability to do that.

The difference is that these 'smug ones' will modify their view accordingly, not hold on to their views regardless of facts. Also, many of the disagreements, and the conversations that take place after, do seem to indicate that there are a lot of thick people amongst those who hold certain types of view. Once more, I would point out that this is based on observation and analysis rather than mindless labelling.

Why, Delldays? It's not arrogance to find lazy retarded thinking amonsgt so many people disturbing. You cannot deny that loads of people come on here spouting crazy extreme views about things they later are proven to have no idea about. That's a f*cking FACT, no less. F*cking idiot plebs just believe whatever they want to believe, almost totally regardless of the actual facts. Not the opinions, but the facts. Believe whatever they want because it gives them someone to blame for their problems, as that's easier than just accepting them, or taking any responsibility, or getting off their stupid c*nt inbred arses and doing something about it. The number of times I give both sides to an argument and yet am still labelled a crazy, etc, is a perfect example. People choose to ignore the fact the my values and views are based on something other than mindless hate or turgid tabloid trumpetting, as this makes it easier to label me some kind of rabid communist. Half of the people here call people things like that and it again becomes clear that they don't even know what that means! In my opinion, I'm more than entitled to pontificate to most of the morons who give retarded uninformed opinions, because I do believe my opinions to be more soundly based as a rule. If that's arrogant, then I'm arrogant, fine. I'd bet you a pound to a penny that if you gathered the star reading idiots and the alleged pinko lefties together, the latter would be considered more intelligent, more informed, and have a more in depth knowledge of pretty much any given general subject.

Sounds like a certain moderator if you ask me.

Going back to one of my oft-made points - that far too many people put no thought into their thinking. I find this profoundly disturbing, particularly when the person concerned doesn't actually seem to be mentally retarded, at face value.

Blair wasn't really a lefty, to be fair.

That's because he's a thicko, bungle.

you never no He is probly a islam terrorist illegal immy-gant.

Actually, I base my estimation of you on what you say. Quite a lot of it is ignorant moronic turd, some of it is more reasonable. Feel fre to have more intelligent views, and I will, by all means, change my view.

This is fun. Seriously though, I have to go to work. Sorry. It's been grand. x

I don't know, I'm too stoopid. I do, however, base my assumptions on what I know and factor everything in, even if I get more information as time goes on. Unlike yourself, it seems.

Haha. Nail. On. Head. WSS in tedious drivel shocker.

Some people on here probably are. I just have nothing to suggest that you are among them.

Yep. Humble. As it happens, I'm actually my own fiercest critic, and I'm painfully aware of my faults. Generally, my reasoning and rationality are not high up on the list. I'm just also painfully honest about my positive attributes too. Perhaps my comfort in my self is why I am not so embittered as to blame all and sundry for my *generic racist term* problems and never myself. "Get a job, terrorist asylum paki immi-gants" - "Stupid protesters, protesting about.. something, gr" etc

OK, sure thing. BUT we, as more liberal-minded people, would be equally remiss in not considering this case as somewhat bizarre, and indicative of there being something wrong with the policy making. It isn'treally a sensible way of conducting asylum seeker placement.

Good one, moron. How is that holier than anything? Please engage your brain before typing anything. It is simply a fact that the less informed, more stupid people on the right side of centre do just mindlesly cite stupid, isolated examples such as this as apparent evidence to back up their weird ideas. Also, I for one have never, ever said that a lot of 'lefties' don't have stupid untenable or unevidenced ideas either. But hey, applying any logic, reason or facts to your comments generally renders them void, so I can see why you avoid doing it so well.

A) I never actually said this was entirely directed at any one group. Paranoid, BNP-ites? B) As for being informed, some of you people's opinions clearly indicate that I am more informed than you. In these cases, damn right I'm holier than thou. Also more intelligent, more reasonable, less of a selfish idiot, and a fundamentally better person. x

It amuses me that the right wingers croak on about cases such as these, but never seem to understand that actually, no-one in their right mind - including those on the other side of the political, and dare I say it, moral, divide - would actually support that in principle. Of COURSE no-one should be getting stupid money. It's not a leftist conspiracy, or PC gone mad. It's a bloody stupid decision taken by some moron pen pusher somewhere, possibly, and if the woman is to blame at all, then it's her as an individual, not because she's Afghan, or an asylum seeker. Just because she's a callous sod, just like a good 50% of the native British population. I do believe in supporting genuine asylum seekers to get into a position to earn for themselves, and beyond that, supporting them reasonably as required like anyone else - but not in stupid cases. Just because you think some cases are stupid, that doesn't mean the "pinkos" and "reds" will think the opposite. There are some cases that are simply stupid. The lefties might just have a more reasoned view..

This thread is amusing. The usual uninformed bile, bizarre vitriol, mindless stereotyping, lazy thinking. I'm not in support of the manners of some protests and protesters, but people have a right to show their distaste for things - certainly if that's done in a fairly sensible way. It is also absolutely true that only total ****ing idiots have no thought whatsoever for the environment. Many people are just frivolous, without paying any heed to reality or the well-being of others. The 'not giving a ****, I hate these people who protest' just isn't sensible. The more extreme cases of these views are held by the kind of people that also seem o not give a **** at all about things like sweat shops etc, as long as their ****ty t-shirts are nice and cheap. So definitively self centred that they are a disgrace to the species IMO. Equally, any protest that unfairly affects others generally misses the point, in my view. Certainly any that endanger others or cost others money, time and so on. Clearly, somtimes you have to do something that matters to actually force a change, but in those cases, it's often indicative of greed at the top rather than stupidity on the part of the protesters.

The ted bates statue (mark I) fell on him.

Look pal, we've all smashed our heads repeatedly into the seat in front / the keyboard / the tv at Saintly ineptitude. It's no big deal.

Hamster - best avatar ever. Um, what?

I was going to say him. He's one of my favourite no-shows. Much fanfare upon his arrival, relatively, to no product. At all. Brilliant.