verlaine1979

Why so uptight? All I ever say about him is that he's an average, 6 out of 10 player who has been elevated by members of this forum into something special for reasons that probably don't bear very close scrutiny. By and large, every other player in our squad is viewed with a reasonable degree of perspective. Opinions differ, but usually within a margin of difference that bears scrutiny. Davis is really the only player where that isn't the case, hence the fact that I keep banging on about it. For the last four years I've seen a player who tries hard, does simple things as well as you'd expect simple things to be done, and maybe two or three times a season he'll come up with a goal or a game-changing pass. However, on here, he's gone from being the most underrated player in the league, to one of our best players of the last forty years. Quite an elevation for someone who rarely scores, rarely assists and who can't seem to run more than about five yards without instinctively wanting to turn back and offload to a defender. I have a few theories as to why that is, but if you're this angry simply at the fact that I disagree with you about his qualities, I can't imagine how incandescent with rage you'd be if you knew *why* I suspect you think that way...

Listen, if this forum didn't produce an ocean of jizz every time Davis completes a five yard no pressure pass back into defence, I'd be happy to let the matter rest. As it is, someone has to speak out against the madness.

I've always said he's a consistent 6/10 performer who does lots of things reasonably well and nothing very well - however, he's probably the squad member most easily identified with by the average fan, so I can almost understand why he's put on a pedestal as allegedly one of our best players in four decades, despite the utter mediocrity of his record.

I'm sure the performance he put in against a team of amateurs ranked 201st in world football was worthy of all this rhapsodizing, but sadly I didn't see the game.

He really has to do very little to score high marks on this forum. Hojbjerg and Romeu both much more influential in open play, while Davis's set pieces have been poor so far.

Found it easy to move the ball through midfield for the first 15, but Leicester shut that door and we didn't regain the same fluency during the half. Once Slimani and Vardy started pressing, we've found it difficult to play out from the back, and when it does make it into midfield, only Romeu is passing with any urgency (Davis once again guilty of almost always picking the 100% reliable back pass even when there's a 75% forward pass on for him).

Taking the opposition into account, possibly the most coherent 15 mins we've played so far this season?

Long can't have had many games worse than that in his career.

Our passing is so slack tonight. So many balls that aren't even meant to be sideways, but end up that way because they've been underhit without any sort of authority. At times its like we're pressing against ourselves.

Always good to stuff West Ham. Second half we played some nice stuff after a turgid first 45, but our decision making and movement on the break is still rubbish. Hopefully this is the extra 10% Boufal will bring to the team.

The predicate of your question was false. You can press successfully for a whole season. Klopp's Dortmund are the most recent proof. League wins and European finals, always playing the same way.

Tell that to Klopp's Dortmund team of a few years ago.

We do???

RK definitely announced that JWP would be first choice when he was on the pitch, though not much point in having a first choice from the spot who doesn't start. Austin took them for QPR, and he definitely strikes the ball better than Tadic, so even if he wasn't supposed to take it, Austin probably did us a favour by insisting it was his.

Still don't like the diamond - in the first half, there were quite clear passing lanes through the midfield which better teams would have made more of. Still, good finishes from Austin, nice play from Martina with the assists and a couple of other passes, and another goal for JRod. Oh, and Yoshida very frustrating with his distribution - so slow to make a decision he almost always ends up turning and making Forster play long.

I would. Even if you ignore Yoshida's two mistakes, he's so slow to make his mind up with distribution. Almost always ends up running out of time and popping it on to the full back, or turning around and making Forster go long. Not a good option for a team trying to build from the back.

Why not just look at your food and your companions rather than anyone else? If you've managed to spend anything like £200 a head in Southampton, then I'd look even closer, as the waiter will probably also soon be trying to sell you a very fine suit of invisible clothes...

Arsenal dominated possession, and far more of the game was played around our box than theirs. The fact that we engineered one good chance that Long failed to convert, then a speculative shot from distance that the keeper should never have pushed into his path hardly constitutes a game played toe to toe. Like I said, other than the traditionally galvanising story of heroic resistance denied by corrupt bureaucrats, I'm not sure what solace anyone is taking from that game when viewed in the context of the three toothless performances that came before it.

Did RK just bring on an 18 year old for a run out with 15 mins left? Expert trolling.

I see what you're getting at here, but you could reinterpret that as saying that in the course of four games, we've conceded a wide array of goals, which might hint that the entire defensive unit isn't working as well as previously.

Funny, in my recollection of the game, after about the 25th minute Arsenal spent most of the rest of the game camped on the edge of our box.

We were under the cosh from the 30th minute onward and they rested three of their key players. If you take solace from the fact that we could've nicked a point and didn't, then fine, but my point is simply that if you let your rage against the unfairness of this particular game cloud an objective judgment of the obvious deficiencies of this team, then you're kidding yourself.

Don't let the red mist about the officiating fool you; on another day that would've been a basketball score to Arsenal. Our midfield looks so easy to bypass (remember, Capoue stormed through it as easily on opening day as Pogba and Ozil, so it's not just big team quality paying dividends). Our passing lacks zip and there's very little genuine creativity - just the obvious overlapping out ball or a check and pass back into midfield or defence. Coupled with a lack of cutting edge when half-chances do fall, we look toothless.

Blimey, Cedric's crossing so far this season has been atrocious. Can barely remember one that he hasn't boomed out of play.

This squad should be okay for a finish somewhere around 8-12 in the league, providing we don't lose anyone crucial to long-term injury, and that we find a formation makes the most of what we've got (playing a lone out and out striker again would suddenly make our relative paucity of specialist front men seem a bit less daunting). What's disappointing is not seeing us being a bit more adventurous in adding a few more promising young internationals to the squad (Stanciu seemed like a good option, and there were definitely others we were linked with after the Euros). This is, after all, the economic model that the likes of Dortmund and Atletico adopt - not simply replacing 1 for 1, but selling 1 established star and then buying 2 promising players with that money. That way we'd hedge our bets against slow adaptation to the league, injury, and loss of form, and potentially strengthen future revenue streams by having two improved players to sell rather than one... There are plenty of games in a season, and plenty of opportunities to come on and change games for players who don't start, and we certainly had room in our squad to pack in a bit more quality.