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You mean the disenfranchised bring it up. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Yes. The LibDems made it a condition of coalition but were far too weak over it, as the referendum was called but Tories and Labour campaigned for no change. Should have offered Cameron the requirement of actually passing a change to PR before supporting a coalition. Of course, the Tories wouldn't have agreed. FPTP is the Holy Grail that shuts out smaller parties. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

True. Speeches made outside No 10 immediately after an election nearly always talk about uniting the country, but are soon forgotten. I remember Thatcher talking piously about harmony, light and hope. It worked if you were a banker. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I certainly would. It's the only way to stop wild swings between extreme policies. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Oh dear. Maths isn't your strong point, is it. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

A second referendum would have been dangerous for Johnson as it would have been decided on the Brexit issue alone. A major factor in the GE win was the campaign against Corbyn who didn't have the support of many in his own party and was easily portrayed as unfit. Excluding other parties from debates was also critical as it reinforced the idea of a binary choice. The Tories won on two tactics. Brexit weariness - we can make it go away, never mind the detail; and the demonisation of Corbyn - stop him at all costs, and you can only do that by voting Tory. It worked. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I think you're the tired and confused one. I didn't say that at all. Just that, because the Tories have won a big majority, it doesn't mean there is an equally big majority for Brexit. But it was a clear and successful tactic to go down the election rather than confirmatory referendum route. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

This is my point. Johnson saying Brexit is the "unarguable decision of the British people" on the basis of winning an election isn't true. But Brexit will now happen. Just hope for a trade deal. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Yes. And the Tories knew that which is why they were desperate to have an election and avoid another referendum. To say this election demonstrates that the will of the people is clearly Leave simply isn't correct. The country is just as split as it was a month ago. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Possibly so. But if it is, it'll be horrendous for the country too. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

He might be asked a question and be expected to answer. Which is difficult as he only does set-piece soundbites, insulting his opponents and lying (unchallenged) and is pretty ignorant of most of his own party's policy. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Have already voted. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Indeed. I keep thinking of more, but isn't the above list damning enough for someone who wants our trust and votes? In years gone by, when elections were fought on policies and record in power, any one of those would be have been fatal. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

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After all the "debate", to summarise my position: Why I will not vote Tory. 1. I don't want a PM who is a pathological liar. 2. I value the NHS and don't want it sold piecemeal to the USA. 3. I want a statesman-like PM who will face up to interviews, give real answers rather than parroted soundbites and not talk over interviewers to avoid questions. 4. I want a PM I can trust. 5. I want a PM with a sense of responsibility to his family, children and partners past and present. 6. I don't want to leave the EU. 7. I don't want a PM who steals a phone to avoid looking at an unpalatable photo, says to camera "there's no media here" and hides in a fridge. 8. I want a PM who respects all people regardless of race, religion and gender and who doesn't use derogatory comments towards them. 9. I want our government to remain accountable, subject to scrutiny and legal challenge (see P48 of the Tory manifesto) 10. I want a fair Britain and a caring society where homelessness and poverty are tackled, food banks once again become a thing of the past and the rich pay their share of taxes Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

This sums my position up too. Anything to stop a Tory majority. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Think he'll be ok until after our game. Maybe we can complete our hat-trick of sacked managers. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

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Quite a turn around. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Me too. Desperate attempt to discredit. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I'd say they're pro-Tory (or allowing themselves to be manipulated by the Tories) which, given the prominence of Brexit in their campaign means they are by default probably pro-Brexit. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Agreed. Watching them tonight, how bad were we not to win? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

You're right, but it was Jez making the big set-piece speech in Bristol who had the big chance. I was amazed that the BBC actually covered the NHS story and even mentioned the bizarre theft. Possibly the threat to withdraw the licence fee and signs that it's in advanced planning will make the Beeb think they've no longer got anything to lose. If they turn against the Tories in the next few days, could be interesting. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

All in all, I'd say the Tories, and especially their accident-prone leader, are having an absolute mare today. False allegations, jibbering interview, refusal to show compassion, theft of a phone, falsifying yet more data. Always going to be a problem eventually if you let Johnson too far from his minders and let people insist on asking questions. Once auto-bot Get Brexit Done mode starts to hiccup trouble looms. Shame Corbyn hasn't really exploited it. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I think the report from the hospital management confirming the unfortunate truth of the story kicks this theory into touch. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk