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I'll agree to differ. You obviously uncomfortable with feminists. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I can agree with much of that. If I could unseat our Tory MP, I would vote tactically, but with a15000 majority, even though he's self-interested and been investigated for dubious financial interests, he'll get in. Agree, we need PR, but the vested interests of Con and Lab will never let it happen. I'll vote LibDem because their policies match my principles and I think Jo Swinson will grow into a good leader. If only Jess Phillips were leader of Labour! Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Ok. It's democratic for a democratically elected government, if it has clearly stated a policy in its manifesto, to take that as a mandate to implement that policy. If Johnson gets a majority he'll implement the referendum result but with a deal or no deal that bears no resemblance to what was promised in the referendum. As situations evolve and facts, rather than meaningless but powerful soundbites, take over it's a responsible thing to do to reconsider. Why should the snapshot in 2016 be regarded as set in stone? Having had a GE do we say that's it - no more votes? (Don't answer that. I'm sure this bunch of Tories would happily install themselves in power permanently if they could) To make my point: Captain of the Titanic: we've decided on our course and we must get it done. We're taking control. Passengers: But when you plotted your course you didn't know there was a bloody great iceberg in the way! Can we think again? Captain: No! We decided. We must get this done. Then we can move on. No, a majority LibDem government won't be elected and Jo Swinson won't be PM. But the ultimate aim of all parties, no matter how unlikely, is to get a majority. The problem is the Tories put winning above any responsibility to the country or obligation to tell the truth. Say whatever will get you elected. Watch the promises evaporate the moment they get in. And no, the LibDems (please note the correct name: you're obviously still having problems here) haven't dropped the policy. They have restated a realistic position that a second best option would be to back a second referendum. I don't vote as if I'm putting a bet on - trying to back the winner. I vote, after thought and analysis, for the party that meets my principles most closely. My vote will not elect an MP, because of our voting system. But that's another argument. As I said before, I'm depressed at the state of politics in this country. A Leader of the Opposition who is ineffective. A Prime Minister who is such a liar and a liability that his party are doing everything they can to hide him away and avoid him showing his inadequacy with his bumbling idiotic answers. Do we really want a "leader" who is so incompetent and untrustworthy just so we can "get Brexit done" (which he won't anyway)? Yet it's enormously sad that the level of scrutiny and thought by so many means that Johnson's "charisma" and lies are enough for so many. If he gets his majority, they're in for a hell of a shock. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Thank you for your support. I should have known better than to come on here looking for intelligent debate. [emoji23] I'm going away again. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Oh dear. There's so much wrong with that but since any reply will no doubt be met with more playground name-calling that my six-year-old grandson would find immature, I'll just abandon you to your prejudices. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

It most certainly was. But it was based on facts rather than soundbites and propaganda, so some on here would have problems with that. [emoji23][emoji23] Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

If you haven't realised how biased 90% of the media is towards the Tories there's no hope for you. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I'm not a socialist, or a member of the Labour Party, won't be voting Labour and haven't voted Labour since 1970. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Totally serious. But you believe what you like. If you've read it, it's obviously true. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

That sums up my view of the current state of politics. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Of course that bunch of journalists, most of whom are in the pay of the Tory Party, will do anything to discredit the document. Of course there is no evidence of agreement: these were discussions about what the US would demand, and that's clear enough and very dangerous. It's wrong to say it was the last government -it wasn't - just a different prime minister who was less keen than Johnson to be a lapdog of Trump. The speed with which the Tories tried to move the agenda back to anti-Semitism shows their concern. But they needn't worry. No matter what they do or say, no matter what scrutiny they avoid, no matter how moronic their meaningless soundbites, no matter how much they lie, the MSM will reassure the unthinking masses and convince them it'll all be alright. Just trust Boris. There's the biggest joke of all. It's hard to imagine a less trustworthy individual. Politics in the UK is broken, in the hands of self-seeking egotistical lying extremists. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I can't believe Corbyn (and Sturgeon) didn't get a watertight guarantee that Johnson would be interviewed before agreeing. Wonder what Swinson's position is? Johnson no doubt thinks he's winning at the moment and I'm guessing he'll duck it, without much damage because the MSM will justify it. This, and other debates, raise serious questions about proper observation of purdah, impartiality of broadcasters and bias. How can the BBC justify attacking Labour without ensuring a balancing Tory interview? All the rules that used to be impeccably followed are now being ignored. I find that worrying. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

The only panic right now is on the Johnson camp. Yesterday was no new news. Today is the clearest evidence yet of blatant Tory lying. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

You can try to shrug it off, but this is far more serious. No, it's not selling the NHS, but it's allowing the US access to the market on their terms - higher prices (x3) for drugs, extended patents to protect high prices, privatisation wherever possible. Read also the sections on reducing food hygiene standards. And more. This isn't scaremongering. It's exposure of what the Tories' have been up to with the US for ages, and denying it. And yet another blatant example of Johnson's lying. The attempted rebuttal by the Tories this morning was truly pathetic and showed how scared they are of this gathering momentum. But they can probably rely on the right wing media to deny clear truths. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

The US/UK trade deal negotiation documents exposed by Labour clearly show advanced discussions on allowing the US access to the NHS. It's a devastating indictment of Johnson's lying, but by tomorrow hell no doubt have denied everything, repeated his meaninglessness sound-bites several times more and have the reassurance of the Mail, Express, Torygraph, Times that we can "trust Boris to get Brexit done" and that the documentation of secret negotiations are fake or out of date. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

The US/UK trade deal negotiation documents exposed by Labour clearly show advanced discussions on allowing the US access to the NHS. It's a devastating indictment of Johnson's lying, but by tomorrow hell no doubt have denied everything, repeated his meaninglessness sound-bites several times more and have the reassurance of the Mail, Express, Torygraph, Times that we can "trust Boris to get Brexit done" and that the documentation of secret negotiations are fake or out of date. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Huge shock and a sad loss. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Huge shock and a sad loss. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

That didn't happen at all Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Exactly this. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Who decides it's not very interesting? I occasionally post the most ridiculous stuff but it remains totally in view. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I've had many posts making political comment become virtually invisible very shortly after posting. Not removed: more subtle use of algorithms to push content way down. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

So do you not think FB etc suppress news/posts when it suits them? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Can't see that happening. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Amazing how the Chief Rabbi (a personal friend of Boris Johnson) can be so damning of Jeremy Corbyn when the Tories have at least as much anti-Semitism in their ranks (and many would say far more) and Johnson's racist attitudes and remarks (women in burkhas looking like letterboxes, picaninnies etc) are clearly not worthy of mention. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk