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Johnson has lost his grasp on reality. He's still maintaining we'll now leave on Oct 31 with no deal. Having got agreement in principle, he's taken his bat home because he can't cope with not being able to dictate totally the terms of the deal. A sane approach now would be to accept a longer timetable, respect any amendments and still proceed to a deal, even accepting one to be ratified by a referendum. But we're in the grip of dictatorial politics. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

He hasn't got a deal being thwarted. He's got a parliament properly and conscientiously wanting to scrutinise the details of the deal, which so far they haven't even been told, rather than being railroaded into accepting it blindly. The tactic is hiding real facts (and lying), creating a false sense of desperate urgency and using the biased friendly media to reinforce that and create the impression that it's "poor Boris and the people" against parliament. Classic Dom. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Johnson wants to insist that "getting it done" can only mean leaving, with or without a deal. He's also, wrongly, claiming that all "the people" want that. Agreed that some do, bit just as many don't. It's just as legitimate to want Brexit gone. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

He's deliberately attempted to frustrate the purpose of the Act. That is just as illegal as not sending the letter. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

To be totally boring, draw was a fair result. Both teams had chances. Our defence was better, but still had dodgy moments, playing three CBs means we lack one attacking player, but we looked better. Yes, I was at the game. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Yes, it's been going on a long time. But the actual deal bring voted on has had no scrutiny whatsoever. The economic and financial implications are deliberately being withheld. The whole Johnson (ie Cummings) strategy is to bludgeon it through whilst screaming we've got to get this done! It's absolutely an obscene rush. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I think this is probably an accurate assessment. The only hope for sanity is the Letwin amendment. Otherwise we've just got a stampede of lemmings desperate to dive over the cliff because they've been talking about doing it for too long and it's time to get it done. And, after all, once upon a time they agreed to do it because they were promised it would give them back control and be really good. And no-one will give any details about what's over the cliff until they've jumped. After all, it would be ridiculous to just pause a while on the edge and ask a few questions. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Letwin has put down an amended which has wide support and, if Bercow selects it, might well pass. It basically postpones the vote tomorrow and forces Johnson to request an extension. That's because there's a potential loophole in the Benn Act if Johnson wins tomorrow (and so doesn't need to ask for the extension). If Johnson wins, the Withdrawal Agreement Act has to be debated (presumably with the full economic and other implications known) and if it doesn't pass by 31st Oct, we could crash out with no deal. The Letwin amendment says the Benn requirement stays in place until all stages have been completed. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

To answer your first paragraph, all three. Your second paragraph is wrong. The Benn Act still requires an extension to be requested if an offered deal is rejected in parliament. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I tend to agree but I don't think the numbers are there to add a confirmatory referendum. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I find it ironic, ridiculous and frustrating that this massive decision for the UK will now, twice, be made by a tiny minority. Firstly, the Tory Party elected Johnson, totally unrepresentative of anything except ageing right-wing Mail readers. He's a lying, manipulative bully but he's their lying, manipulative bully and if they don't back him the Tory Party is dead, do he gets to invoke extreme tactics with their blessing. Now, having struck a deal, any deal (the consequences of implementing it don't matter, he's "got Brexit done" and killed the Brexit Party), the fate of the deal is in the hands of a dozen or so weak Labour MPs who think they can save their seats in Leave constituencies by supporting the deal. Which is pure lunacy, since if Johnson gets the deal through, it will be a Tory victory and Labour will be decimated. Corbyn's position of wanting to deliver Brexit himself was ridiculous. Never happening. He's still in a fantasy world where he thinks he can win an election. His only chance was to make sure Johnson failed, stir up the splits in the Tories' and allow Brexit Party to take away their votes. Only then would he have stood a chance in a GE. Can only hope all Labour MPs have the intelligence to see the future of their party rests on them voting this deal down, rather than going for self-interest. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

EU Commissioners have gone against Junker and refused to rule out an extension. At least that knocks on the head "this deal or no deal" How many Labour MPs in Leave seats will now buckle in the hope of saving themselves in the upcoming election? That's the key. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

No Brexit is better than anything on offer. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Yawn. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Except that refusing an extension isn't something Junker can decide by himself. It's a council decision. And the Benn Act still applies if parliament don't pass the deal. Also, note that Rees-Mogg wanted a very brief unamendable motion debate, but that's been overruled and the motion will be amendable, possibly to attach a confirmatory referendum and Bercow says it can go on as long as needed. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

This is obviously right. But we can st last see Johnson's tactics. Get a deal, any deal, no matter how bad. Try to get it through with threats and bribes. If it passes, never mind the consequences, he "got Brexit done". But as insurance, he's asking the EU, since there is a deal, to refuse any extension, so that he can present parliament with this deal or no deal only. (I assume the Benn Act falls?). To my mind, it would be appalling if this happened. Blatant railroading of an awful deal. All opposition must now unite both to rule out, again, no deal, hopefully vote down the deal but at least attach a confirmation referendum. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

In other words, it's far worse than Remain. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

A significant factor in the way things are going now is that none of our summer signings are contributing at present. Djenepo is injured, possibly long-term, Adams can't get off the mark and confidence is fading away, Danso hasn't been given a chance except in the wrong positions. I know Ings is technically a signing, but he isn't a change. Add to that the sale of Targett and many loans out and the squad currently being used is actually weaker than this time last year Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Some good news. I was lucky enough to miss this one for the happy occasion of the arrival of my fifth grandchild. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Yes, for the livelihoods of the 50% of Saints staff who would lose their jobs if we go down. In terms of who we're playing, the enjoyment of the PL pales when we're not competing. But don't assume a drop down would bring back the fun of winning. Look at Stoke and Huddersfield. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Didn't see much of the game but some seriously worrying signs. Good start, concede either brilliant or lucky goal, depending on your opinion (but Gunn was a mess), static defence for their second. Got back into it, then concede weakly before half time. How many times has that happened recently? Maybe unlucky again, but even with the deflection Gunn should have done better. Time for McCarthy, if fit. But the second half was alarming. No energy or creativity. Chasing the game and no Boufal until 80 mins. Why not Boufal and Adams/Obafemi on 60 mins? Think Ralph is badly missing an experienced assistant. I hate to say it but we may have to go back to three CBs. And we need Cedric back. And Djenepo. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Simply decline it when offered? Try to engineer a member state vetoing it? If I understand correctly, both of those are open to legal challenge. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Latest opinion poll showing over 63% now want to remain. Obviously not being ng reported very widely. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Remembering how old 40 seemed, and now (today) seeing my 40 year-old daughter present me with my fifth grandchild. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

You could be right, but they were all on our books that season Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk