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But the definition of terrorism is the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. I don’t think, from what the plod have said, there was clear political aim to what he did. He looks to me like a sick cunt obsessed with killing/death.

The riots were clearly stoked up by misinformation online, spread by the usual racists - releasing bits of information like the ricin and training manual would have just fuelled the theories even more IMO.

That’s just complete bollocks, there was all sorts of misinformation about him being an illegal immigrant etc. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o

From what I’ve read it just looks like he was obsessed with killing and violence, the plod have said there was no clear evidence of one ideology.

I think that’s just bollocks, the sort of nonsense spouted by Farage and the like to excuse the racist thugs that made the whole thing worse. If they had mentioned the ricin and training manual we all know what certain people would assume and the effect it would have on the situation. If there was an obvious terrorist motive we would have been told at the time, but even now the motive doesn’t appear clear.

I guess that’s a matter of opinion. If releasing bits of information about a complex person means aggravating the riots why the need to make it public?

I don't think it looks like they have done anything wrong. I'm not sure what releasing info about ricin or the training manual would have achieved at the time except make things worse. You never get all the details of a case until it goes to trial anyway. This nutter is obviously a complex individual, the police still don't know what the motive was - you release info of that type when racist thugs are already trying to smash up mosques and you just fuel the speculation that it was an Islamic extremist attack. You know all about jumping to those conclusions.

Obviously the more transparency the better but the most important thing is getting justice.

You're right, the label doesn't really matter. I was just responding because some seem to think there was a cover up and that justified the carnage that followed. If the police are unsure of the motive they are not going to come out and say it is terrorism.

He may well have been. I'm just trying to explain to shit-for-brains why the police didn't treat it at terrorism at the time.

He wasn't arrested for just owning Mein Kampf. "The manuals had instructions on how to make explosive devices, and how to kill quickly and efficiently with a blade."

To kill people obviously. Nutters kill people all the time, that doesn't necessarily make them all terrorists.

The police were not wrong, they just said the motive was unclear that's why they didn't treat it as terrorism. Having an al-Qaeda training manual doesn't prove motive.

He is obviously a sick fuck and as mad as a box of frogs but that does not necessarily make him a terrorist. From the Merseyside Police Chief Constable: “We will never know why he did it," she said, adding: "What we can say is that from all those documents no one ideology was uncovered, and that is why this was not treated as terrorism."

“Drill baby drill”, “liquid gold” - looks like any attempts to limit the effects of climate change will have been put back by a decade.

“Police have found no evidence that the Southport attack was motivated by political, religious, racial or ideological causes, meaning it cannot be classed as an act of terrorism despite him having possession of a document proscribed under terrorism laws.” That was from the report on the Guardian.

I disagree, I think that's a defeatist attitude - there has to be a two state solution there somewhere. It is further away than ever now though.

God knows what he solution is now but every time someone is killed it just creates more people who want to kill in revenge. Israel have reduced the threat for now but and have just guaranteed their children and grandchildren will face more of the same, if not worse.

All that the killing has done is ensure that there will be much more in the future. It's the same old cycle just on a bigger scale and it will just carry on as before, unless there is some sort of roadmap to a two state solution.

He must be tired bless him, he actually did some work on Thursday. Buch of lazy cunts all of them.

There was some Police chief on the radio the other day saying that exact thing, basically echoing what Alexis Jay, the person who carried out the first review, said. The short-comings that led to what went on have been identified and the police have already made changes, we just need to get on and implement the findings.

They looked fine to me.

When we attacked Smallbone just jogged about, when we were defending he just jogged about. The cunt was just a passenger.

Manager fucked us with the subs.

Every sub he’s made has made us worse.