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I agree for your first bit in that I had no problem with the idea of bringing SCW in, my issue was more to do with the execution, timing and existing personnel at the Club. For me he was potentially right man, but definitely the wrong time. But I'm not sure we can accuse him of jumping ship as IMHO as soon as Crouch/Wilde came in, then his days were numbered. Crouch was particularly vocal about SCW at that time and Wilde's gang weren't overly welcoming either. I think he jumped before he was pushed.

Like a more balanced view that gets shown up to be factually incorrect which is then followed by a period of enforced hibernation http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=370702#post370702 You're never normally that shy in coming forward:smt039

You obviously know nothing about me then and seem to be judging me by your own low standards. As I said on the thread where people were mocking/bullying you, I simply just don't think it's right when start getting that personal and use an issue that you have a real life problem with in order to score cheap points. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with regards some of the comments you have made above, as anyone who really does know me (and there are many on here) would tell you you are very wide of the mark. And I have admitted that I know little about you (turn the tables as you obviously know nothing about me if the tirades in this post are anything to go by). But that is a world away from being accused of latching on to something. You were open and honest about your mental health issues and so I wasn't revealing anything and was only responding to some rather poor efforts by a minority to persecute you. If you don't need support , then fine, but please don't jump from well intended support to the tirades you have on here. I'll cut you some slack now we know more about you, but there is a line. And as I have previously summarsed, I'm afraid the idea of taunts can only be in your own head, as my comments were always well intended. I don't know the exact details of your mental illness, but my only advice would be to stop thinking everyone is out to get you and therefore you always have to be on the attack. Look for the good in people and you'll find it. I never go in for sad songs as think they just perpetuate the moment, I much prefer uplifting and inspiratioanl songs/poems/thoughts to try and lift the gloom. I am always more than happy to rubbish your multiple identitied, trolling, antagonistic, poor posts along with your abusive and offensive PM's and pick you up for spreading rubbish and fabrications, so please spare me the lectures on where and how to post, not least as you certainly don't practice what you preach. I have never used your mental problems in order to score points, in fact I've tried to steer people away from that area, but that doesn't mean that I don't think your posts and PM's under a raft of different user names are any the less sad.

My mistake, you did say very good. With all due respect, relying on this place and the fact it was full of praise is hardly a ringing endorsement of playing very good at the start of the season. I much prefer to look at results, the table and not rely on those who were optimistic and willing a new manager to do well (as we all were back then). We had the odd glimpse of propaganda football, but ultimately the table never lied and we were anything but very good last season.

A very good start to the season?????? After four games, 20th, 3 pts. After eight games, 20th, 8 pts. After twelve games, 21st,12 pts After sixteen games, 21st, 16 pts Did you see us play?????

You're quite right that I am not aware of the full nature of your mental health problems, not that I ever claimed to either, I just feel that your personal issues shouldn't really be a reason for ridicule etc on this forum. And as soon as I read the thread I posted as I felt it verged on bullying and given your public admission of your mental problems I felt it was unjustified and somewhat cruel. I find it hard to see why you're knocking me for sticking up for you regarding your problems, when you and others did exactly the same thing. Barking was totally unintentional and I would never intentionally use a play on words in a cheap attack on your personal condition. I will happily spa with you, wind you up and think you're an attention seeking, multiple identitied, rude PM'ing, liar, but I wouldn't use your mental health problems as a stick to beat you with.

You seem to be barking up the wrong tree. I have been very defensive with regards people having a pop at you recently due to being aware of your mental health problems. In fact, I advised the administrators to close a thread that was personally attacking you as I felt that given your own public admission of your mental illness issues it was unnecessary and verging on bullying. I will still share some banter and fun with you (I'm sure at both of our ego's expense), but I would never use your mental health problems as a stick to beat you with.

Absolutely. As I said elsewhere I have to chuckle at those who appear to have somehow read that we all think Pearson is the Messiah from what has been posted up here. Strange, but highly comical.

Yeah particularly those that have a pop at others when itheir crusade has nothing to do with them. Then of course you've got those who happily throw about general abuse at their fellow supporters. Then of course you've got those who start threads telling you what you can and can't post, and then get all upset because their restrictions somewhat stifle the debate. go and have a look in the mirror fella.

Did you see many games during that 13 game run??? We were definitely poor in some, but we were also pretty good in others, so I'm afraid I really struggle to agree with your carte blanche assessment. And of course ultimately we survived, so job done (plus the Leicester games I saw last year showed a pretty decent team with creatvity and a decent pattern of play, top scorers, fewest conceded and only 4 defeats). As for being 9 points clear, then sorry just not correct.

Great logic fella. Start your pop with the names of those who have nothing to do with your following moan. Brilliant.

I think the suggestion is that he is being pushed by Mandaric;)

tbf as I said in my first reply, that's how the thread seems to you, because I certainly don't see it as a "love in" or a desire to raise Pearson to "Messiah" status. And how I would have settled for only just this season. Given the criteria set out when Pearson arrived then surely his tenure here was a modicum of success, followed by definite success at Leicester. Pearson wasn't the Messiah, nor was he the finished article by any stretch of the imagination. I was referring to the style and manner, not the end result. See it is easy to read and assume different things from what people post up on here. And I'm sure there are, so if you want to suggest some then i'd be happy to discuss the merits (or not ) of appointing them. Given that Pearson's name was mentioned in a paper report, then no matter how much of a long shot it appears, then I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing the merits (or not) of a potential return.

I've never been shy in saying we needed to cutback across the board, and that there would be no sacred cows with regards implementing Plan B. It is my opinion however that we should doing all we can within our financial limits to gain whatever advantage we can. And IMHO the money spent on Malcolm could/would be beneficial. You won't see my name on a FaceBook petition, so maybe your initial post should have been directed at those who you felt were acting in that manner.

At a very much reduced rate from the market valuation at the time (to take account of the debt they would also inherit). And although there was an offer, we never looked like we were being sold. PS I also wonder if there would have been some debt renegotiation at the outset, or at a later date.

I certainly didn't know the first of those points, but did have knowledge of the second (and also the reduction he was willing to take) and IMHO the sums involved aren't much. And my comments were never based on gesture politics, they were based on trying to give the team any advantage, and I thought this would be a good shout given the sums involved.

I don't think Sundance/Flashman/Nineteen/Bear was using his mental health issues as a justification for his trolling. Instead, I think he was asking for people to give him the benefit of the doubt/try and understand his position, as he accpeted his mental helath problems probably came through in some his postings. That said, IMHO we should be minded to steer of personal slights in this area, whilst still giving and taking the banter on a site like this.

Not really sure what you're saying, as we never looked like we were being sold either until we went into administration and there was a chance to get some of the debt wiped off. I assume the same will happen with Charlton in that people will always be thinking about buying them after a load of debt has been wiped off. I think what is different with them is that some of the debt is owed to Directors and also the new consortium is fronted by ex-Directors so may be there will be some negotations.

I can see where you're coming from, as if the new owners are willing to splash the cash then why not set our sights higher than Pearson. However, if they're going to be somewhat frugal, then Pearson certaiinly ticks a few boxes (not least his experience in Div 3 last season).

Then maybe you shouldn't have put me at the forefront of your reply then, because my posts on this thread aren't bandwagon jumping by any strecth of the imagination, instead just commenting on how I think such a move "could" be beneficial for the success of the team on the pitch.

My pre-requisite's for any successful team are a leader and then someone who would die for the cause (may even be the same player). I don't think we've had one/two in recent years so have to agree with you 100%. Could Wotton fulfil one of those roles? Personally not sure, so i would be out on the hunt for someone.

Mr Multiple Identity Boy, if only we'd JUST survived last year and if only we'd JUST avoided administration last season as well, what a year we would have had. JUST. JUST. JUST. Wotte and Pearson share a TION. Wotte = RelegaTION and AdministraTION Pearson = SalvaTION;) Keep on trolling:smt073:smt039

I haven't for one minute suggested we should be run as a charity, nor that we should be re-appointing ex employees for sentimental reasons, nor that they should be re-employed to spite Lowe and others etc etc etc. My rationale for re-employing Malcolm is solely down to seeing first hand the impact and effect he has around the Club, Staplewood and the high regard he is held in by many players, and then by thinking that could in some way contribute to success on the pitch. Of course that's my perception and it is all subjective and hypothetical, but having seen Malcolm in action first hand and spoken to many at the Club, then I think I am speaking from a reasonable position of strength in this issue. So with regards what the **** do I know?, then in this instance I would say quite a bit.

I do chuckle when people somehow see a Pearson love in, or claim they are seeing Pearson elevated to Messiah status etc etc etc. I think what you'll find is a recognition that Pearson did a pretty decent job here in keeping us up. He didn't prove himself to be the next big thing, he just simply did what was asked of him and installed a bit of belief and passion. I think you'll also find a recognition that Pearson did a pretty decent job in getting Leicester to win their league with relative ease in a similar style and manner as he did with us. And then as a result of those recent "successes" and his recent "history" with us, then you'll find alot of people thinking that it might actually be a pretty good fit. A manager who has recently worked here, knows the set up and knows many of the players, along with recent experience in getting out of what will probably be a tough league seems to tick quite a few boxes for me.

Why is it ridiculous? He is as active and capable as he was a year ago. He is still held in high regard by a number of players and there must be a simple way of accomodating him in the new set up without putting others noses out of joint. IMHO his experience and can do attitude particularly looking after the various needs of the players (way in excess of just sorting out the kit) would mean that for his relatively small salary we would see a very decent return. What is ridiculous is your blind rejection without any valid reason and without being privy to any relevant knowledge or information.