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Here's Wotte's results: 27 Jan 2009Norwich2 - 2Southampton2527131 Jan 2009Southampton2 - 2Swansea1762303 Feb 2009Southampton1 - 2Sheff Utd1325714 Feb 2009Bristol City2 - 0Southampton1700021 Feb 2009Southampton3 - 1Preston1479028 Feb 2009Southampton1 - 0Cardiff1852603 Mar 2009Ipswich0 - 3Southampton2004007 Mar 2009Birmingham1 - 0Southampton1673510 Mar 2009Southampton1 - 1Derby1756714 Mar 2009Southampton0 - 0QPR1869121 Mar 2009Blackpool1 - 1Southampton794704 Apr 2009Southampton2 - 3Charlton2722807 Apr 2009Watford2 - 2Southampton1606610 Apr 2009Wolverhampton3 - 0Southampton2463613 Apr 2009Southampton1 - 0Crystal Palace2322018 Apr 2009Sheff Wed2 - 0Southampton2414525 Apr 2009Southampton2 - 2Burnley2392703 May 2009Nottm Forest3 - 1Southampton29008

Like I said, you must be using Red and White Army's dinlo calculator then;) Here's Poortvliet & Wotte's results: Cardiff2 -1Southampton1974916 Aug 2008Southampton1 - 2Birmingham1892523 Aug 2008Derby0 - 1Southampton2703230 Aug 2008Southampton0 - 1Blackpool1562914 Sep 2008QPR4 - 1Southampton1377017 Sep 2008Southampton2 - 2Ipswich1491620 Sep 2008Southampton0 - 0Barnsley1483627 Sep 2008Doncaster0 - 2Southampton1086730 Sep 2008Southampton2 - 0Norwich1448004 Oct 2008Coventry4 - 1Southampton1551818 Oct 2008Southampton0 - 3Watford1745421 Oct 2008Sheff Utd0 - 0Southampton2564225 Oct 2008Swansea3 - 0Southampton1556428 Oct 2008Southampton1 - 1Coventry1422601 Nov 2008Preston2 - 3Southampton1150808 Nov 2008Southampton0 - 1Bristol City1453515 Nov 2008Southampton1 - 2Wolverhampton1781222 Nov 2008Reading1 - 2Southampton2312125 Nov 2008Southampton0 - 0Plymouth1489529 Nov 2008Charlton0 - 0Southampton2083106 Dec 2008Southampton1 - 1Sheff Wed1544008 Dec 2008Crystal Palace3 - 0Southampton1379913 Dec 2008Burnley3 - 2Southampton1122920 Dec 2008Southampton0 - 2Nottm Forest2658026 Dec 2008Plymouth2 - 0Southampton1275628 Dec 2008Southampton1 - 1Reading2014210 Jan 2009Barnsley0 - 1Southampton1178917 Jan 2009Southampton1 - 2Doncaster15837

Very impressed with the Romsey part of this parade today. There was a real sense of pride and great community spirit being shown with all ages there showing their support for the troops. Without being drawn into the politics, it was a pretty patriotic occasion and something of Great Britainin the Market Place at 4:10 today.

The irony is not lost on me. One minute there were no boycotters, they were just using it as an excuse not to attend, and now there were boycotters who caused all the problems. I'm confused;)

And I'm sure you therefore won't mind giving Crouch credit for keeping us going when we went in to administration by stumping £££££££'s.

One can only assume you have nicked Red and White Army's dinlo calculator which adds or takes away points on a whim:D Poortvliet didn't even manage a point a game, Wotte just over a point per game with Pearson bettering both of them (whether you include Plymouth away or not). Hopefully the League will use your dinlo calculator when they do the League tables come next May and give us some of your special points you seem to have awarded the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up:smt044

Please don't take this post as an insult or in anyway inflammatory, but you come across really bitter over this. I do think it's time to let it go and move on. We now have something to rally behind, so until it goes tts up at some point in the future, then how about live and let live and move forward to gether. I really do think we should have moved on from blaming sections of our fanbase for our demise (and that's from all sides blaming each other). Not having a pop and not seeking to censor what should be posted etc, just think we need to leave that mindset in the past woth all the other baggage we've acquired over the last few years.

I really don't think Lowe was involved with Harris, as past spats have shown there to be little love lost between the pair of them (unless either of them did a Wildesque about turn). Instead this swipe by Sale (probably fed by Lowe) against Fry is Lowe's attempt at getting back at the bloke who unceremonioulsy dumped him out of the Club (Saturday's Echo had more on that).

There was a bit in The Pink on Saturday where Fry claimed that had it not been for Crouch's financial support, then he doubted we would have got through the situation. Haven't seen any mention of the interview on here (although was out of circualtion for a bit at the weekend) but would put the main bits up if it's not been covered already.

I agree for your first bit in that I had no problem with the idea of bringing SCW in, my issue was more to do with the execution, timing and existing personnel at the Club. For me he was potentially right man, but definitely the wrong time. But I'm not sure we can accuse him of jumping ship as IMHO as soon as Crouch/Wilde came in, then his days were numbered. Crouch was particularly vocal about SCW at that time and Wilde's gang weren't overly welcoming either. I think he jumped before he was pushed.

Like a more balanced view that gets shown up to be factually incorrect which is then followed by a period of enforced hibernation http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=370702#post370702 You're never normally that shy in coming forward:smt039

You obviously know nothing about me then and seem to be judging me by your own low standards. As I said on the thread where people were mocking/bullying you, I simply just don't think it's right when start getting that personal and use an issue that you have a real life problem with in order to score cheap points. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with regards some of the comments you have made above, as anyone who really does know me (and there are many on here) would tell you you are very wide of the mark. And I have admitted that I know little about you (turn the tables as you obviously know nothing about me if the tirades in this post are anything to go by). But that is a world away from being accused of latching on to something. You were open and honest about your mental health issues and so I wasn't revealing anything and was only responding to some rather poor efforts by a minority to persecute you. If you don't need support , then fine, but please don't jump from well intended support to the tirades you have on here. I'll cut you some slack now we know more about you, but there is a line. And as I have previously summarsed, I'm afraid the idea of taunts can only be in your own head, as my comments were always well intended. I don't know the exact details of your mental illness, but my only advice would be to stop thinking everyone is out to get you and therefore you always have to be on the attack. Look for the good in people and you'll find it. I never go in for sad songs as think they just perpetuate the moment, I much prefer uplifting and inspiratioanl songs/poems/thoughts to try and lift the gloom. I am always more than happy to rubbish your multiple identitied, trolling, antagonistic, poor posts along with your abusive and offensive PM's and pick you up for spreading rubbish and fabrications, so please spare me the lectures on where and how to post, not least as you certainly don't practice what you preach. I have never used your mental problems in order to score points, in fact I've tried to steer people away from that area, but that doesn't mean that I don't think your posts and PM's under a raft of different user names are any the less sad.

My mistake, you did say very good. With all due respect, relying on this place and the fact it was full of praise is hardly a ringing endorsement of playing very good at the start of the season. I much prefer to look at results, the table and not rely on those who were optimistic and willing a new manager to do well (as we all were back then). We had the odd glimpse of propaganda football, but ultimately the table never lied and we were anything but very good last season.

A very good start to the season?????? After four games, 20th, 3 pts. After eight games, 20th, 8 pts. After twelve games, 21st,12 pts After sixteen games, 21st, 16 pts Did you see us play?????

You're quite right that I am not aware of the full nature of your mental health problems, not that I ever claimed to either, I just feel that your personal issues shouldn't really be a reason for ridicule etc on this forum. And as soon as I read the thread I posted as I felt it verged on bullying and given your public admission of your mental problems I felt it was unjustified and somewhat cruel. I find it hard to see why you're knocking me for sticking up for you regarding your problems, when you and others did exactly the same thing. Barking was totally unintentional and I would never intentionally use a play on words in a cheap attack on your personal condition. I will happily spa with you, wind you up and think you're an attention seeking, multiple identitied, rude PM'ing, liar, but I wouldn't use your mental health problems as a stick to beat you with.

You seem to be barking up the wrong tree. I have been very defensive with regards people having a pop at you recently due to being aware of your mental health problems. In fact, I advised the administrators to close a thread that was personally attacking you as I felt that given your own public admission of your mental illness issues it was unnecessary and verging on bullying. I will still share some banter and fun with you (I'm sure at both of our ego's expense), but I would never use your mental health problems as a stick to beat you with.

Absolutely. As I said elsewhere I have to chuckle at those who appear to have somehow read that we all think Pearson is the Messiah from what has been posted up here. Strange, but highly comical.

Yeah particularly those that have a pop at others when itheir crusade has nothing to do with them. Then of course you've got those who happily throw about general abuse at their fellow supporters. Then of course you've got those who start threads telling you what you can and can't post, and then get all upset because their restrictions somewhat stifle the debate. go and have a look in the mirror fella.

Did you see many games during that 13 game run??? We were definitely poor in some, but we were also pretty good in others, so I'm afraid I really struggle to agree with your carte blanche assessment. And of course ultimately we survived, so job done (plus the Leicester games I saw last year showed a pretty decent team with creatvity and a decent pattern of play, top scorers, fewest conceded and only 4 defeats). As for being 9 points clear, then sorry just not correct.

Great logic fella. Start your pop with the names of those who have nothing to do with your following moan. Brilliant.

I think the suggestion is that he is being pushed by Mandaric;)

tbf as I said in my first reply, that's how the thread seems to you, because I certainly don't see it as a "love in" or a desire to raise Pearson to "Messiah" status. And how I would have settled for only just this season. Given the criteria set out when Pearson arrived then surely his tenure here was a modicum of success, followed by definite success at Leicester. Pearson wasn't the Messiah, nor was he the finished article by any stretch of the imagination. I was referring to the style and manner, not the end result. See it is easy to read and assume different things from what people post up on here. And I'm sure there are, so if you want to suggest some then i'd be happy to discuss the merits (or not ) of appointing them. Given that Pearson's name was mentioned in a paper report, then no matter how much of a long shot it appears, then I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing the merits (or not) of a potential return.

I've never been shy in saying we needed to cutback across the board, and that there would be no sacred cows with regards implementing Plan B. It is my opinion however that we should doing all we can within our financial limits to gain whatever advantage we can. And IMHO the money spent on Malcolm could/would be beneficial. You won't see my name on a FaceBook petition, so maybe your initial post should have been directed at those who you felt were acting in that manner.

At a very much reduced rate from the market valuation at the time (to take account of the debt they would also inherit). And although there was an offer, we never looked like we were being sold. PS I also wonder if there would have been some debt renegotiation at the outset, or at a later date.

I certainly didn't know the first of those points, but did have knowledge of the second (and also the reduction he was willing to take) and IMHO the sums involved aren't much. And my comments were never based on gesture politics, they were based on trying to give the team any advantage, and I thought this would be a good shout given the sums involved.