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You're wasting your time with, as I actually think he's American and irony is obviously lost on him;)

Hopefully, there will come a time when Lowe will not be football related;)

you're wasting your time with one of Lowe's and Poortvliet's (and now Wotte's main apologists). Depsite being told this was a "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" with everyone being interchangaeable and involved, and a vision of shared responsibility and team work, we are now being fed that actually that wasn't the case. As Wotte himself said: Now it's a case of hanging Jan out to dry (probably throwing Hockaday to the wolves as well) and saying that Wotte had fck all to do with what went on in the past.:confused: To be honest, the hypocrisy, bullsht and double standards is something we're accustomed to, but it still amuses me when the usual suspects attemot to rewrite history in order to gloss over the glaring errors overseen by some at the Club.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Would you give little Manhattan the same amount of time that you gave that legend Jan Poortvliet to try and prove himself???:rolleyes: In fact, his little sister Palestina could probably do a better job than the man you were imploring us to persevere with:smt088:smt088:smt088 Did Jan pop by for a cup of tea on his way to Dover?? Did he survive the Medway Mafia? Mwah:smt054

You're on the money LOL. Just imagine the furore if Gerry was unveiled at SMS.:smt022:smt022:smt022, even if someone came up with a fake CV and some obscure claims about how he won 3 promotions from the Zezde Klasse and can operate with no money. Looking back that fcking CV issue was hilarious and all those stories about how he can work with youngsters and no money!!!!!! What's been the reaction in the Dutch media to Poortvliet and Wotte swapping roles????

I think the other clubs are lapping up the fact we appointed a Dutch no hoper, sacked him after he dropped us in the relegation places, and then employed his sidekick who six months previously was only deemed suitable as reserve team coach and who is as actually as complicit in our recent failings as the no hoper we sacked!!!!!! I think the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" may have slightly more impact than a protest march:rolleyes::rolleyes: Besides, I would say the passion in the protest transferred itself to support for the team yesterday.

In which case he should have kept his counsel and not involved himself in something that he knows nothing about. Quite frankly he should have kept his patronising comments to himself. We are not "easy with our judgement" and have been fairly patient and understanding this season, despite being served up a continuum of rubbish. I lost a degree of respect for Poortvliet when he complained about the crowds response in the Doncaster game, when frankly he should have been worried about being such an abject failure. I'm actually surprised the supporters held out for so long!!! As for Wotte, well quite frankly considering he was a central pillar of the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", he would do better in attempting to win us over by getting points on the board, as opposed to aiming cheap shots at the supporters who he and others have massively let down this season.

Absolutely. I'd much rather have Martinez leaving being pssed off, as opposed to the legendary Owelumo, amongst many others, telling us we were great (and BTW thanks for the three points). Looking back, it's cringeable how some of those defeats were portrayed on the OS and it's sister outlet The Daily Echo.

Well as usual, you're too quick to post without reading what others have posted, something you have been far too guilty of in recent months on here. But if you're still of the belief that Paul Allen was all ready to rock up then you're as delusional as SOG. Conversation over (and you can even have the last word). HTH

A sniper????? I think an M73 frag grenade would be a better bet!!! Cue the drama queens, bed wetters and sanctimonious on here frothing at the mouth.

It's not normally that I will post stuff told to me under a strict blackout, but think this thread is worthy of breaking that code. Even though he is still under contract I have been told that Crouch/Corbett/Fulthorpe have a provisional agreement to install Gerry Hamstra as our new manager. Please don't quote this post as I may want to delete it in a few minutes, but this has come from a very trusted source.

So during a match fans experience the highs and lows, the emotion of winning and losing, the anguish of a sloppy goal and the delight and joy of an equaliser. Fck me, have you ever been to a football match????? Even after it's ended the passion, anger, desire and joy are still there for quite a while. Of course you're going to get knee jerk reactions (both ways), because after all this is football, a passionate game steeped in history, passion, pride and a community spirit. But away fromt the matchday passion, the wider long term feeling amongst many Saints fans aren't knee jerk, but instead they are considered rational and objectively held, so to suggest we are "very easy in our judgement" is somewhat objectionable and not in the least necessary in current circumstances.

He was complicit with what went on before, so sorry. but I don't buy this "Let's hang Jan out to dry" philosophy. They have not impressed me and I think he is treading a dangerous line by involving himself in the politics of the Club and making cheap comments about the supporters. If he cannot empathise with supporters, then he would be better off talking about football only. It never worked last time when Lowe wheeled out Burley, Claus & others to try and drum up support for his failing regime and it won't work this time. Wotte is allied to Lowe, that much is obvious, and understandable, but the best way forward for him would be to get points on the board as opposed to scoring cheap points in interviews. And we have heard that a million times in recent months. It wasn't long ago that we were told everything was rosey and bright times were just around the corner, so please excuse me if I prefer to ignore such platitudes and instead judge people on their deeds and not their words.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but quite alot of your info is wrong. Your attacks ont he Corbett's, other fans, the Paul Allen non affair etc etc etc. You probably would do better thinking (and doing some easy research) a bit before posting. That's nothing to do with holding an alternative opinion, it's just that too often you post something and then a bit later come back with a, sorry I got that wrong. Although it is admirable to apologise, you would be better served not having to.

I'm not trying to undermine him, just calling it as I see it. His little ditty was totally unnecessary and given our current position he would have been better off biting his tongue. As for giving him time, I will always support the manager until he is no longer viable, but I also don't buy into this "brand new start" in much the same way I never bought into the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", not least because Wotte was a key part of what has got us into this awful predicament. He can't now absolve himself from any blame and try and pin it on Poortvliet. I may have questioned Poortvliet's embellished CV and questioned as to whether he was the right man for the job, but I supported him as manager and wanted him to succeed. The same goes for Wotte. I associate him results on the pitch and will judge him by his deeds and actions. I have an opinion of him and I don't think he is the right man for us (for a number of reasons), but ultimately I will only judge him by what he achieves with regards results.

I must have missed that discussion, otherwise I would have argued vehemently against that viewpoint. I saw Dyer and Walcott many times over at Staplewood a few years back and there was no comparison whatsoever, despite Dyer being in the year group above Walcott. Because of some good contacts I was able to speak to a few coaches (definitely Prost & Wigleyand I think it was Jennings) and there was no question that Theo was the one tipped for the top, whereas there was always debate as to whether Dyer would be able to make the step up. Hopefully, he will come back and perform for us, but being honest I have never really rated him.

Or at least with the intention of stabilising us in the Championship. As I believe ego's are in play here (much to the detriment of the Club), arresting our decline and establishing us as a comfortable Championship team could also be deemed a successful return. It could set us up for a return to the top flight and it could also make the club an attractive proposition for someone ready to gamble on us going up. As you say, I think his way is a disaster for this Club on and off the pitch, but he's not doing this intentionally, nor do I believe he thinks that life will be better or more profitable in League One.

June 30th 2009

I think I got a touch of motion sickness after watching it. Someone obviously thinks it's hip and trendy to have quirky camera angles, zooms et al. Back to basics please.

Of course not, but I also didn't expect him to come out with a moan saying we are "easy in our judgement". It was a flippant, ill judged and unnecessary comment straight from the same manual Lowe must read before he talks to fans, the press or shareholders. We're not easy in our judgement, we have judged this season purely on the results that Jan, Wotte and others produced under this "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up". A system that he was a key part of, and one that has delivered one home win and has left us floundering in the relegation zone. The only way we may have "been easy in our judgement", may be because it has "been easy to judge" the dire seasion that he and others have presided over to date.

In which case, he'd be better off keeping his own counsel. Things haven't been good for quite a while and there are a number of reasons why we are where we are. I have no problem accepting that and I have no problem accepting that last season was a great escape as well. What I objected to was his flippant comment that we are "easy in our judgement". No we're not, we have judged this season purely on the results that Jan, Wotte and others produced under this "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up". A system that he was a key part of, and one that has delivered one home win and has left us floundering in the relegation zone.

Easy in our judgement, fck off. You've been a key player in a shambles of a season, so please keep your out of touch comments to yourself. No empathy at all with those who keep him in a job. After his comments at the first press conference and other subsequent stuff, I have to say I'm not warming to this guy (then again considering I hold him jointly responsible for our current position, I've never been a fan). Seems as though he has gone to the Lowe School Of Charm and Togetherness.:wink:

Easy in our judgement, fck off. You've been a key player in a shambles of a season, so please keep your out of touch comments to yourself. After his comments at the first press conference and other subsequent stuff, I have to say I'm not warming to this guy (then again considering I hold him jointly responsible for our current position, I've never been a fan). Seems as though he has gone to the Lowe School Of Charm and Togetherness.

Not the first time you've been out of touch LMFAO!!

I would have no problem acknowledging your right to hold and espouse that view. I don't agree with it, I think it is flawed and I certainly can't read your last line up there without breaking into a chuckle the bit about a man with a plan, when the plan has already gone tts up!!), but that still does not mean that you can't hold and espouse that viewpoint. HTH.