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As we stand here today, do you support Jan staying or going? (Only asking the question again, because I dont think you've answered it. Certainly just by saying you would if there was someone who was better is not answering it, as how would you be able to judge whether or not they would be better, it's totally hypothetical?)

Perhaps I didn't phrase my question right. How about, as we stand today would you like to see Jan step aside?

OK, let's start with a simple question for you. Do you still support the appointment of Jan?

I'm not saying it will be easy and arguably we got turkeys in situ after the summers farce, but I don't see sitting back and just accepting our fate as an acceptable alternative. Wilde, Richards, Crouch and others need to bite the bullet and agree to get something done. Sticking with Jan and maintaining Lowe in such a position of power is increasingly looking like a recipe for disaster. It will need some humbling of egos, some compromise and a dash of hope, but I fail to believe that this position is irreversible.

You don't need to be taken over to change a manager and/or a CEO. Many clubs (even ourselves) have done it recently. But of course what it needs is an acceptance from some within Lowe's cabal and from Wilde that this experiment is failing.

IMHO Wilde's role as Chairman of the Football Club Board is purely a ceremonial/ambassadorial position with little or no power (in the short term anyway). With Lowe having two close allies on the PLC board, the PLC Chairmanship and the day to day job as CEO, for me there can be no coubt that he's running the show. I have heard that a couple of Lowe's group are having second thoughts about this arrangement and would be interested to hear Wilde's current views (his honest ones as opposed to the platitudes in the matchday programme).

How about a competent manager and a competent, respected and unifying CEO. That doesn't sound like rocket science to me.

Nice riposte, now try and stay on topic or try not to gloss over Lowe's role in our demise.

the thread title makes no mention of the part Lowe played in our demise, only whether he is being set up for a fall some time in the future. It was your post that glossed over Lowe's role in our demise, laying the blame at others.

Up to you, although I would have thought blaming Crouch and Wilde for "practically bankruoting the Club" and yet not mentioning any part Lowe played is somewhat rewriting/distorting history.

Matt was also pretty unequivocal in that he wanted the majority shareholders gone as well. Also made the point how no one has been prepared to accept their part in the downfall of the Club, but instead want to blame others all the time.

Try and be more balanced in your posts then.

Methinks you may have missed the huge (and by far the biggest) part Lowe played in the demise of this Club's finances.

The contradictions, hypocrisy and bullsihytt surrounding the place at the moment is worrying. As I elsewhere, this doesn't sound like a forward looking strategy at all, more like making it up as we go along. I had bought into the Pearson vision, but no matter how hard I try I just can't get behind the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up".

Considering you thought our record in the top flight was poor and not very good, have you now changed your tune by saying he managed us well:rolleyes: PS You never got back to me with you reply to how the fixture list was sooooooo unfair to Saints. Without being too rude here, you do come across as one of the most clueless posters on here. :rolleyes: At leats with some of the others i don't agree with, you can have an element of a debate.

At the end of that season costs had been reduced and the net debt was at its lowest point for years at sub 20 million, and we were are still here today. Our current policy and relegation will take us much claoser to bankruptcy.

Many clubs operate at an operational loss, and then fund the deficit throught player sales over a short to mid term period. I actually don't think we will be able to get to a position where income will cover our costs, particularly with such low crowds. It all depends on the terms of how the money is put in and how it is spent. If it is in the form of new shares or gratis from the Directors then there it does not affect the borrowing. And if it was spent on two, three or four quality players and covered their salaries then it's impact on the cost base would be covered. Absolutely, no problem wth that, you could spend an infinite amount of money on a football team, but as with others i just wonder if something has to be done to break this circle of shyyt3. There are no gaurantees, but I think it's safe to say that a decent team and a decent manager will win more games than a shower of shyiet on and off the pitch. You definitely have a point there, although of course there is talk that one large shareholder is prepared to cough up 2 million. I don't think people are expecting a Man City spending spree, but I do wonder as to whether even that amount could allow us to be shrewd with a new manager and a couple of influential signings. Well I don't think many would make the stupid mistake of kicking out Pearson and bringing in a non entity from the Dutch lower leagues.

We actually won 21 games in the season after the big spend. So far this season we have won 5.

If you took on the debt, you could probably buy the Club for that!!!!!!!

And as a thread pointed out yesterday their first transfer window wasn't particularly successful, in fact it was pretty poor. I also wonder if you have to throw Lowe's name in the mix there, as i would love to know just how much input he has with regards spotting and targeting potential transfer/loan targets.

You're quite right there!!!!! If Saints weren't so ingrained in us and held deep in our hearts, then we would have upped sticks and fcckukced off ages ago!!!!!!!

And with a potential pay day of a million pounds if we managed to sneak a replay, you would like to think that all stops had been pulled out if we want him to feature (and it's not like we've been scoring for fun recently).

And picking this up from the other thread: A little birdy tells me that it's the receiving association (ie our FA) that would have been contacted frst by us to initiate the return of the International Transfer Certificate. They would then get in touch with the Danish FA to get it returned. Here's something I got earlier in an e mail from an administrator in the game who is somewhat perplexed that the paperwork has not been sorted!!!! "On expiry of the loan, the ITC should be returned by the Norwegian FA to the FA, as long as we SFC have requested it. With a loan this is a formality as everyone should be well aware when the loan would expire. This should happen very quickly and probably within the same day if it has been requested." Something just doesn't add up for me. Bristol City have managed it in a day with their new Slovakian striker, but we can't manage to arrange it having known from the off that the loan would come to an end on 31/12/08.

A little birdy tells me that it's the receiving association (ie our FA) that would have been contacted frst by us to initiate the return of the International Transfer Certificate. They would then get in touch with the Danish FA to get it returned. Here's something I got earlier in an e mail from an administrator in the game who is somewhat perplexed that the paperwork has not been sorted!!!! "On expiry of the loan, the ITC should be returned by the Norwegian FA to the FA, as long as we SFC have requested it. With a loan this is a formality as everyone should be well aware when the loan would expire. This should happen very quickly and probably within the same day if it has been requested." I wonder who has been dragging their heels here???

That will probably be the preface to the Interims due out later this month.:rolleyes: Iwelumo gets the Annual Report and Fergie gets the Interims. I was giggling when Iwelumo, amongst others, was trotted out by Lowe as a testament to what a successful season we've been having. I prefer to stick with the league table as my reference point. I can only presume these soundbites get treated like time penalties at the end of each rally stage in that we will get extra points added on come May for all the nice things said about us by managers and players departing with three points under their coats. As Lowe himself used to say, this is a results driven business.