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Methinks you may have missed the huge (and by far the biggest) part Lowe played in the demise of this Club's finances.

The contradictions, hypocrisy and bullsihytt surrounding the place at the moment is worrying. As I elsewhere, this doesn't sound like a forward looking strategy at all, more like making it up as we go along. I had bought into the Pearson vision, but no matter how hard I try I just can't get behind the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up".

Considering you thought our record in the top flight was poor and not very good, have you now changed your tune by saying he managed us well:rolleyes: PS You never got back to me with you reply to how the fixture list was sooooooo unfair to Saints. Without being too rude here, you do come across as one of the most clueless posters on here. :rolleyes: At leats with some of the others i don't agree with, you can have an element of a debate.

At the end of that season costs had been reduced and the net debt was at its lowest point for years at sub 20 million, and we were are still here today. Our current policy and relegation will take us much claoser to bankruptcy.

Many clubs operate at an operational loss, and then fund the deficit throught player sales over a short to mid term period. I actually don't think we will be able to get to a position where income will cover our costs, particularly with such low crowds. It all depends on the terms of how the money is put in and how it is spent. If it is in the form of new shares or gratis from the Directors then there it does not affect the borrowing. And if it was spent on two, three or four quality players and covered their salaries then it's impact on the cost base would be covered. Absolutely, no problem wth that, you could spend an infinite amount of money on a football team, but as with others i just wonder if something has to be done to break this circle of shyyt3. There are no gaurantees, but I think it's safe to say that a decent team and a decent manager will win more games than a shower of shyiet on and off the pitch. You definitely have a point there, although of course there is talk that one large shareholder is prepared to cough up 2 million. I don't think people are expecting a Man City spending spree, but I do wonder as to whether even that amount could allow us to be shrewd with a new manager and a couple of influential signings. Well I don't think many would make the stupid mistake of kicking out Pearson and bringing in a non entity from the Dutch lower leagues.

We actually won 21 games in the season after the big spend. So far this season we have won 5.

If you took on the debt, you could probably buy the Club for that!!!!!!!

And as a thread pointed out yesterday their first transfer window wasn't particularly successful, in fact it was pretty poor. I also wonder if you have to throw Lowe's name in the mix there, as i would love to know just how much input he has with regards spotting and targeting potential transfer/loan targets.

You're quite right there!!!!! If Saints weren't so ingrained in us and held deep in our hearts, then we would have upped sticks and fcckukced off ages ago!!!!!!!

And with a potential pay day of a million pounds if we managed to sneak a replay, you would like to think that all stops had been pulled out if we want him to feature (and it's not like we've been scoring for fun recently).

And picking this up from the other thread: A little birdy tells me that it's the receiving association (ie our FA) that would have been contacted frst by us to initiate the return of the International Transfer Certificate. They would then get in touch with the Danish FA to get it returned. Here's something I got earlier in an e mail from an administrator in the game who is somewhat perplexed that the paperwork has not been sorted!!!! "On expiry of the loan, the ITC should be returned by the Norwegian FA to the FA, as long as we SFC have requested it. With a loan this is a formality as everyone should be well aware when the loan would expire. This should happen very quickly and probably within the same day if it has been requested." Something just doesn't add up for me. Bristol City have managed it in a day with their new Slovakian striker, but we can't manage to arrange it having known from the off that the loan would come to an end on 31/12/08.

A little birdy tells me that it's the receiving association (ie our FA) that would have been contacted frst by us to initiate the return of the International Transfer Certificate. They would then get in touch with the Danish FA to get it returned. Here's something I got earlier in an e mail from an administrator in the game who is somewhat perplexed that the paperwork has not been sorted!!!! "On expiry of the loan, the ITC should be returned by the Norwegian FA to the FA, as long as we SFC have requested it. With a loan this is a formality as everyone should be well aware when the loan would expire. This should happen very quickly and probably within the same day if it has been requested." I wonder who has been dragging their heels here???

That will probably be the preface to the Interims due out later this month.:rolleyes: Iwelumo gets the Annual Report and Fergie gets the Interims. I was giggling when Iwelumo, amongst others, was trotted out by Lowe as a testament to what a successful season we've been having. I prefer to stick with the league table as my reference point. I can only presume these soundbites get treated like time penalties at the end of each rally stage in that we will get extra points added on come May for all the nice things said about us by managers and players departing with three points under their coats. As Lowe himself used to say, this is a results driven business.

And it wasn't that long ago that Lowe was talking him up and saying how he would fit in with this fast, attacking style of play and Poortvliet was telling us what a great asset he was. It just doesn't seem like much of a strategy to me, almost making it up as we go along.

And that for me is probably the worrying part. I presume this would be an area that Liz Coley would have sorted out in the old days, but not sure who is doing this now that she has been laid off. Failing to get international clearacce when Bristol City managed it in a day for their new signing seems rather odd.

Bristol City managed it, so why couldn't we??? Even if it was Aalborg dragging their feet, then I would expect us to be kicking them up the ar55ge to get it done. Considering we have recently lost two strikers (in the loosest sense of the word) you would have thought we would be jumping through hoops to get him in the squad for Sunday.

It definitely came to an end on 31/12/2008. We have known for over 4 months when the loan ends, so find it bizarre that we now have a striker on our books whose wages we are paying and yet we can't play him Sunday where he could score a crucial equaliser and earn us a million. Incompetence??? By us ??? Aalborg??? UEFA??? The FA??? Normal business??? Something else???

Bristol City seem to have been able to lodge the paperwork and get international clearance for their latest Slovakian striker who they signed today. http://www.bcfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10327~1506328,00.html He is available for selection for their game tomorrow. This just doesn't really add up to me. Either someone has ****ked up royally or there's another angle we're not being told here.

And welcome back Duncan. Watched this little clip with a mate earlier and it brought back such happy memories. Football seemed alot simpler then, although I'm sure there were just as many egos in play (methinks the lack of money around may have been one positive though). As for that train picture it really is small fry, irrelevant, off the radar and I'm sure Lawrie's ego is in play, BUT by golly for something so small fry and irrelevant it says soooo much about what is wrong with this Club at the moment.

So to cap off Professors grand claim that supporters pollute this site with their views, we now have that old chestnut that it's the supporters fault. It's our whining that's holding the team back:rolleyes::rolleyes: The views of supporters (positive or negative) are mere symptons of the situation we find ourselves in, and in this case it is the policies of those temporarily in charge of the Club that have driven us to this point. Many thousands still turn up (just look at the Notts Forest game), so methinks you need to look to the boardroom and the results of some weird decisions for the reasons why it is hard to go forward, before you blame the hard pressed fans who have put up with so much rubbish recently.

Wow:rolleyes::rolleyes: We haven't had that type of comment on here for all of about two days!!!!!! Posters on here don't hate Southampton FC, in fact it's their love of Saints that makes them so passionate and loud. But hey, ho, let's just dress up all the well held and well espoused views as pollution. Methinks you're the one with a low mentality if you continue to fail to distinguish the odd duff post (and poster), from the majority of well thought out and reasoned posts (and posters). I wantz Rupert7 out cuz hes possh innit.

Wotton was signed a couple of weeks after Jan had been unveiled as Head Coach. As for Holmes, JP actually claimed somewhere that he had seen him (how and where, I haven't a clue?). But then there's also those players who re-signed contracts such as Dyer & Gillett (maybe even McGoldrick) and you have to ask just how involved is Jan in these decisions, or perhaps more importantly who else is involved??? I just can't help but think that Jan is not his own man with regards transfer targets and keeping players on.

Didn't season tickets go up from something like 7,500 when he left in July to 14,000 by August???? That was something over and above the normal renewal pattern. It certainly didn't entice back those Premiership fans who walked away, but the last change of board appeared to help retain those fans who looked like they were not renewing that summer (particularly as many season ticket holders in that first season down renewed when we still had a shout of being in the top flight).

We just need to find out where the list of "out of work" or "available CEO's" is, then we could replace Jan and Rupert at the same time. Double bubble.

I see it as no more than Lowe viewing Dyer as a commodity who he believes will increase in value. He's purely just taking a gamble and believing he can get more for him being under contract (and requiring a transfer fee) as opposed to being out of contract (and getting compensation). The problem comes when you firstly consider the comments made by Lowe when Dyer signed a new contract, particularly the nauseating bits about the new regime. Secondly, it only works from a financial perspective if we make money out of him. We have probably coughed up a signing on fee and paid some wages whilst he was initially with us & no one is aware of what the net deal is with Sheff Utd/Swansea (i.e. are we still payng some wages etc etc etc). It all depends on what someone is prepared to pay in the future (against what a tribunal would have set) and what the net cost to us of this decision is. At the moment it is a gamble and no one on here knows the true cost either way. I wouldn't have minded it being a purely financial decision had the OS not carrid that nauseating and rather insulting piece back in July, but as we stand at the moment I think we've lost money on him.